by IVES GALARCEP
There weren’t many surprises in 26-player roster chosen by Jurgen Klinsmann for the upcoming U.S. Men’s National Team training camp starting in Cleveland on March 26th.
The camp, which will prepare the team for a busy stretch of matches from late May to mid-June, features Clint Dempsey, Tim Howard and Michael Bradley, as well as March qualifying standouts such as DaMarcus Beasley and Matt Besler.
Missing from the list was Landon Donovan, which was no surprise by now given early reports revealing his absence. Also not on the roster are veteran Steve Cherundolo and Carlos Bocanegra, as well as Tim Chandler and Jose Torres. Both Cherundolo and Chandler were left out due to injury.
A total of 29 players were named to the roster, but only 26 will be with the team at any one time as Klinsmann circulates a quartet of MLS goalkeepers for the five matches the team has in the coming weeks.
Here is the USMNT training camp roster:
GOALKEEPERS– Tim Howard, Brad Guzan, Bill Hamid, Sean Johnson, Nick Rimando, Tally Hall
DEFENDERS– Geoff Cameron, Omar Gonzalez, Matt Besler, Clarence Goodson Edgar Castillo, Fabian Johnson, Damarcus Beasley, Michael Parkhurst
MIDFIELDERS– Michael Bradley, Clint Dempsey, Jermaine Jones, Graham Zusi, Brek Shea, Maurice Edu, Sacha Kljestan, Joe Corona, Stuart Holden, Brad Davis, Danny Williams
FORWARDS– Jozy Altidore, Herculez Gomez, Terrence Boyd, Eddie Johnson
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The team will begin gathering in Cleveland on May 26th, ahead of their May 29th friendly vs. Belgium. Several players will be missing from the start of camp due to club commitments. Michael Bradley is playing in Coppa Italia with Roma while Corona and Castillo will be playing in the quarterfinals of Copa Libertadores with Club Tijuana.
What do you think of the squad? Disappointed that Donovan isn’t on the team? Who are you happy to see make the cut?
Share your thoughts below.
danny williams? Really? We can do better than an out of form danny williams.
and IF JK was feeling more adventurous which we all know he won’t…He’d put Klejstan or Corona in for Jermaine Jones….
50% of you are ridiculously overworked on the third keeper rotation system (which i think is a great idea) and beasley listed in the defenders when there are two other LB’s ahead of him! and ya the Landon Donovan thing is controversial but i think its a solid group.
once everyone is together it will look something like:
—Altidore–Dempsey–Gomez– (Boyd, EJ)
———————–Zusi——– (Corona, FJ)
———Jones—-Bradley——- (Sasha, Holden, Edu)
-Johnson-Besler-Gonz-Cameron- (Castillo, Goodson)
————–Howard————– (Guzan)
i wouldn’t mind seeing Castillo getting some time with Johnson moving up the midfield. If Holden, Boyd and Corona can make a positive impact too it might be a very good 5 games.
in the Nov 2011 game we put out a lineup similar to this. I’d be interested in seeing it again.
——————-Howard
Cameron–Gonzo–Besler–Castillo
——————-Jones
——Bradley———F.Johnson
—————–Dempsey
———–Gomez—–Altidore
could play Zusi where herr Johnson is and move him to LB in place of Castillo, but Fabian played that position last time we were in this formation and he was spectacular.
also wouldn’t mind seeing
——————-Howard
Johnson–Gonzo–Besler–Castillo
——Bradley—Jones–Kljestan
————Dempsey–Zusi
——————Altidore
Kilnsmann on why Shea was not called up:
“The reason he’s not here is because he’s simply not playing. He’s not getting any minutes … so he has no flow, he has no rhythm, and he understands the situation.”
Oh wait…
Could add Danny Williams to that
JK must truly be a dullard to not understand how inconsistent his statements are with his actions.
He has surrounded himself with his own cronies. I don’t think anyone has the guts to tell him that he’s not making any sense. He needs an assistant who will stand up to him and provide structure like he had with Jogi Low.
Davis, and Eddie Johnson what the heck is he thinking. I am sorry but Mix is better than Williams in my opinion and has done more for the nats than Williams. McInerny needs to be called up over Johnson. The six keepers was a dumb idea. I want Klinsmann fired after this cycle.
Micah, I’m a huge Mixx fan, but comparing him to Williams is a bit silly as they are very different players. One thing people are overlooking is that Williams provides cover for BOTH Bradley and Jones who are both sitting on yellow cards. If either of them gets another (very possible with three games) Williams provides some DM cover for the next game. If Bradley and Jones don’t see a card, Williams does not see the field.
As for Mixx, his time will come at the Gold Cup. A good performance there and he could easily slot in front of Bradley and Jones for the rest of qualifying.
It is not silly to compare them they are both central midfielders Mixx is more of a attacking player and Williams is more defensive that is true, but what I mean is Danny does not do his defensive responsibilities well, but Mixx does do his attacking responsibilities well. Defending is way easier than attacking all you do is take the ball from the opponent.
Wow… Umm… I can only hope you’re joking and I’m missing the sarcasm. Otherwise, please ask whoever helped you turn the computer on to take it away from you.
No Mix does his job for the nats and hussels hard the full time when he is on the field and Williams does not. We have Jones Bradley and Kjestan and Edu no need to bring in four defensive mids and only one attacking mid. No need to throw shade at me. I have my opinion and you have yours. So get a grip and stop insulting me.
I met Edu and Jones as defensive mids Bradley and Klesjtan as attacking mids. No need for him to bring in Williams because we need more attacking central mids.
If you can’t be bothered to read the release as to why 6 keepers had to be called in then you really have no grounds to act indignant. You just end up looking foolish.
+1, its a pretty good concept.. I remember Bob allowed the third keeper to return to his club team between games too, this just expands the same concept over a longer period of time.. plus Hamid and Johnson aren’t going to miss anything at United and Fire trainings.
Tell me then, Mike E, how rotating a few MLS keepers helps us achieve maximum points in these qualifiers?
Perhaps he is evaluating talent and prepping for the Gold Cup. Who cares how many keepers he brought in? Maybe it fits his training schedule for the camp. If you are mad about a player that didn’t make it, he wasn’t left off due to a high keeper count. JK could have called in more players. He didn’t.
So glad JK has finally taken up the critical task of determining who the #3 GK is right now.
ha-ha. good one.
well, for me, i did not count there are actually 29 players in this list. when Ives said 26, i just took it that the list was 26 and 6 of them were keepers.
i’ve calmed down since because it sounds like the 3 additional keepers had no effect on Torres, Lichaj, or Morales being left out.
but even still…29 players, 23 outside of the GK position. meaning JK could have called in 3-4 more players to have a true 26-27 man camp. with the Gold Cup coming up, and so many players playing in Europe and Mexico, JK should have done everything in his power to get Lichaj, Morales, and Torres into this camp.
actually, i’ve just gone full stupid. 23 + 3 goalies = 26. i’ll still be angry that we don’t have a 27th in Torres, Lichaj, or Morales and I’m certainly mad that Parkhurst and Davis were included.
Shea and Williams don’t deserve it, but i see them going to the Gold Cup now.
I’m a bit disgusted w/ JK’s constant harping on getting club PT, but then he totally ignores PT when he picks players for MNT games. Williams and Parkhurst haven’t played in a long time (I haven’t seen Parkhurst’s name in months). Shea is another odd case b/c Stoke has said he’s not fully healed from his foot injury and he wasn’t even making the travel squad for games. I know, I know, there’s too little width on the team, so they have to take wide players. But if Shea isn’t healthy enough to even dress for Stoke, what are the chances he can crack the 18 for the MNT? I’d sooner see Torres (who is playing well) or take a flier on JA Brooks in the hopes of cap-tieing him to the US…
Oh, and silly me, I forgot about Mix and Bedoya who are killin’ in in Norway and Sweden right now. No reason to bring in players who are in-form and playing with confidence when you can bring in guys who haven’t seen a competitive match in months…
Mix and Bedoya makes sense. They’ll be at the Gold Cup. that part was not even remotely a surprise.
But they aren’t German!
Report today said that JA Brooks was left off of the German U-21 squad and he is ready to accept USA U-20 call-up. Is there truth behind it? I do not know, but it was nice to hear.
i would expect Parkhurst, Williams or Shea to play much at all in the next 5 games, but they will all be there in camp (not on vacation) preparing for the Gold Cup. ya its not 100% logically true to the club pt quote but it makes sense tactically.
I would have been okay with Morales over Parkhurst, Torres over Williams and Landon over Shea but its nothing to get worked up over..
i would not* expect…
agreed, i believe this is what will happen. but Lichaj, Morales, and Torres are all more deserving then those three. I like Shea and Williams, they are the future, but yikes. Them over Lichaj, Morales and Torres is strange to me. Same with useless Davis.
I was never a fan of JK as a coach, but clearly his statements to the press about what he will consider or not in player selection are taken too seriously by way too many people as iron clad rules. More likely, they are attempts to let both players and fans know about what JK would like in a perfect world. In reality, injuries, positions to be filled, skill-set to be included, team chemistry, even how the training schedule is envisioned, as well as the coaching staff’s opinion about a particular player’s qualities will play a more important role in the the decision than will the percentage of games started in the last couple months or whether the player is in the EPL, MLS, Bundesliga, Norway, etc.
So I will let JK slide on this.
If your boss/teacher/parent was constantly (and I mean CONSTANTLY) telling you one thing and doing something completely different, what would you think of him or her? What do you think the players at Bayern think of JK? What do you think the US players think of him? I think that article pretty much sums things up. Players have very little respect for JK because he does not communicate clearly and does not stick to his guns. He comes across as a flaky mess. Clear expectations and clear communication are the most important skills a good manager has at his disposal and JK seemingly possesses neither of them. He desperately needs to improve in these aspects. The team plays as if they are not all on the same page. There may be a good reason for that. It seems like no one knows their roles and responsibilities, maybe because the manager is not communicating them properly.
This is a big deal, not because of this one incident, but because of the repetition of this kind of thing throughout his tenure. We can’t have a manager who is constantly changing his mind. We need someone with a clear vision. From JK’s behavior, and the product on the field, I don’t see any of that.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the one and only Jurgen Klinsmann has now officially dug his own grave with this roster. Two losses out of three games combined with the usual tepid offensive performances and JK is fired and gone will be a laughing stock of history and Landon Donovan will be playing for the USMNT in September. But this roster with a lot of JK’s buddies is not just about Donovan. Agree 100% with 2tone above the “Klinsmann has lost the plot.”
That said, maybe I am wrong and we win three games and Klinsmann and his great tactical assistant Martin Vasquez will be giggling at us and Landon Donovan’s days on the USMNT will truly be over, because success is what it’s all about and Klinsmann wwould be forgiven for his trespasses against Donovan and allowed to carry on in his own inimitable style.
Personally, I have seen enough. The thrill is gone.
Ok buddy. Nice knowing ya.
Geoff Cameron, Omar Gonzalez, Matt Besler, E. Castillo
Graham Zusi, Michael Bradley, Jermaine Jones, F Johnson
Herculez Gomez, Jozy Altidore
Bold move not going with Dempsey here.
Dempsey couldn’t make it to the champions league, he doesn’t deserve to be on the field. He needs to earn his way onto this team…
That comment is so funny I finally had to make an account to post my approval!
i like FJ being pushed to LM. but umm … you’re kinda forgetting our top scorer in your starting lineup, no? kinda think Deuce deserves to play
true my bad…we’ll replace Gomez for Depmsey (Dempsey like a false 9)
Great Idea I was thinking the same just replace Dempsey for Gomez and its a good line up in my opinion.
So happy Donovan wasn’t called. Put him on the Gold Cup and let him earn his crest again.
Mrs Shea, is that you?
+1
You could replace him with Bornstein for all I care. Talent shouldn’t dictate how much commitment is necessary to make the team. Donovan should have a big hole to climb out of after bailing on everyone (JK, the players, and the fans).
??? is this JK in disguise? Anybody who watched last night’s game would not think that.
don’t put too much stock in Landon beating up a lousy Union defense..
+1
Although even if he had run through Bayern Munich I would want him to prove his loyalty and commitment to the team first. Team Commitment > Player Talent.
Most of last night was nothing. His goal was a gimme. Don’t confuse MLS play against Philly with international fitness and form. I like LD. Wish he were playing better and have no qualms with him being called in, but he is not back to what he was last year. Low passing %. Missing PK’s. Only goals have been gimmes from Kean. Can’t do anything without Kean on the field right now. I would have added him, and dropped no one, for the camp. I just wouldn’t be pretending that he is playing, even in the MLS, great soccer right now. Bring him in and evaluate him, but play him based on that evaluation not a 1/2 game and a gimme goal.
Anything less than 6 points with these next qualifiers should be deemed a failure.
Prediction: In about 2 weeks, Donovan will be called in to replace Shea. The story will be that JK wanted to see where Brek was at physically to see if he could be a help in either the qualifiers or the Gold Cup. But “he’s still recovering from his injury issues.” LD will be coming off a good performance or two, so JK gets to call him in to help and sends his message.
i like how you’re thinking
I do too. But I doubt it. Did you watch Donovan last night? Vintage. And yet no call-in today. This is about ego. Period.
what a terrible selection of players
Call in any MLS RB over Parkhurst. Christ Parkhurst hasn’t played for like 4 months.
Beltran, Beitashour, Sean Franklin are better picks than Parkhurst right now.
Or Lichaj, or Orozco Fiscal, or even Brad Evans…
maybe Lichaj, i don’t know why Jurgen doesn’t like him, but certainly not Orozco, Evans! or Franklin… isnt Beitashour coming off an injury too..
absolutely Fiscal!!!! he plays 90 minutes in Liga MX every week! Parkhurst hasn’t played in forever.
agree about Evans though. i’d still rather have Parkhurst. lol
If we don’t get 7 points from these next 3 games I’m done with Klinsmann and calling for his head. I’ve tried to be a believer but not including Donovan is BS. We better win our flippin home games. If our offense looks stagnant and we drop a result to Honduras….I can see Klinsi getting fired.
I’d rather not qualify than poison our team culture by letting talent dictate the necessary level of loyalty and commitment a player must contribute to the team.
Exactly then we turn into England and all of their nonsense with Rio this past summer.
God I hope Klinsmann doesn’t think like you.
Looks like he does, but who knows.
+1 @David… @Jordan, will you be done with calling for Klinsmann’s head if we get 7 points???
No. The whining will continue. When the results are bad, some people blame the coach. When the results are good, some people say that we won in spite of bad coaching decisions. Jordan will probably complain about JK even if we were to win the WC, because we didn’t do it his way. It is the same whether you are coaching 8 year olds, 18 year olds or professionals. You can’t please everyone, but then, that is not what he was hired to do.
+ 1
So to recap: 6 keepers, 3 left backs and 0 Landon Donovans
+6
seems to be the number of the day
ro·tate (rtt)
v. ro·tat·ed, ro·tat·ing, ro·tates
v.intr.
1. To turn around on an axis or center.
2. To proceed in sequence; take turns or alternate: Interns will rotate through the various departments.
v.tr.
Pay special attention to the second definition.
Yes, rotating keepers who won’t sniff the field is critical for us to achieve maximum points in the next qualifiers. Next.
It may not, but it certainly has absolutely nothing to do with Donovan not getting called in, yet you are using the idea of rotating third keepers (which is without a doubt the correct move to make for the coaching staff) to bash JK because you are pissy about the Donovan situation.
So what does 6 keepers and few true wingers tell you about Klinsmanns priorities for this camp? Goalkeeper depth is like #379 on the list of “USMNT concerns”
6 keepers tells us that JK has enough respect for MLS coaches not to take their starting goalie for 3 weeks to sit on the bench.
Not bringing wing options is a different story, and one that has some merit, but you didn’t mention that in your initial post. You mentioned keepers, which we covered, and 3 left backs, even though I would argue we really didn’t call 3 left backs, we called in 1.5.
that’s not the problem. yes, there are 29 players and not 26, so really these keepers probably aren’t keeping anyone out of the roster, but if they did…oh man.
I understand what rotate means. I was making a crack about selecting 6 goalkeepers regardless of their use. You can also rotate any position; I don’t know if you’re aware of this. so 6 keepers may be a bit much when you can only play one at a time. Note we’re only playing 5 games. At least 2 keepers are getting no more than a half. Also, I was just having fun with the fact that most people are befuddled that he would take 6 keepers. I actually AM a JK fan…but he’s trying really hard to change my mind…
Not digging Beasley’s being slotted in the “defender” pool.
He’s not a defender. Period.
Serviceable? Sure.
He’s not a defender. Period.
I’d love to see him attacking on the wing, though. An aspect we’ve been sorely missing that he obviously still has.
+1 sir.
I think we are looking at the last two games a bit romantically. Bease was SERVICABLE at LB – but not stellar by any means. His quickness and moxie helped him overcome what could easily have been a pitiful performance had any of the crosses he allowed wander into the goal.
agreed.
I really think Klinsmann has lost the plot. Danny freaking Williams is on this roster, and he has been injured and not playing first team soccer for the better part of two months.
6 freaking keepers really?
No Donovan and no Dolo which both are healthy and in decent form.
Brek Shea? Look the guy has potential, but come on.
This roster is mind boggling to say the least.
…in azteca? I’m still holding the faith that Klinz knows what he’s doing.
I’m bringing the six keepers for chemistry. My son is a keeper so when I am away from home it is very nice to have keepers around. My chemistry is better.
Dolo is NOT healthy per USSoccer. – “Cherundolo has not fully recovered from the injury that kept him out for four months”
I can only think Williams is there so JK can use him at the Gold Cup…
I said yesterday on this site to NOT crucify JK just because of Ives’ predictions about the roster..
Now that its released…..
GO FORTH WITH YOUR CRUCIFIXIONS…
here is my reaction after only looking at the roster:
– SIX Fing KEEPERS?!?! WTF IS THE POINT?!
– DId not realize Dolo was injured…that hurts
– No Torres is a JOKE because now he is a doubt for the Gold Cup, which is a JOKE
– Davis is a WASTE of a call up. I was ok with him at the Gold Cup, but what a waste for WCQs
– Shea does not deserve to be here. He wouldn’t be awful to have at the Gold Cup though, so maybe he’ll just train to stay in shape
– Parkhurst and Williams also have no business in this squad…but again, maybe they’ll play a part in the Gold Cup
– Where is Morales?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I’m just blown away by the keeper situation. Klinsmann has a chance to call in extra players and give them a look and he brings SIX M.Fing keepers?!?! Morales and Torres should have been a part of the Gold Cup.
Ok, now I’ll read the article and comments…
add Lichaj to the list of players who could have been called in instead of SIX Fing keepers (yes, i will rant about that for awhile) simply so we could use him in the Gold Cup. this is so dumb.
Did Klinsmann really put DaMarcus Beasley on the roster as a defender? If so, I guess this shows the genius of Klinsmann, leaving off Donovan and playing Beasley as a defender and not calling up Erich Lichaj.
It is clear to me that people don’t read the roster notes associated with the list of callups.
Not saying some of the consternation isn’t warranted, but a lot of people not really understanding what is going on here.
They probably do but why let information get in the way of a good JK mudflinging?
So does this include the gold cup as well?
not exactly but no players in offseason that are NOT on this roster will be called into the Gold Cup.
I bet 3 of the keepers, Parkhurst, Goodson, Castillo, Kljestan, Holden, Edu/Williams, Shea, Davis, Boyd stay and join in-season guys like Landon, Gatt, Bedoya, McInerney, Feilhaber, John, etc..
Not sure if that is going to happen, but I like the idea and roster. Add Mixx, Aron J and possibly even JA Brooks depending on the U-20 WC and I think you’re on to it. Also, I’d fine a way to include Morales in there too. Might as well cap tie him too.
can’t bring Morales now. since JK left him off this roster, and since he plays in Germany, he cannot be included in the Gold Cup team. which is insane. what happened to getting U-23 players into major tournys since they missed the Olympics?
“Can’t” is a pretty strong word. They can call him in, although I admit it’s a long shot. I realize adding Morales would go against what Klinsman had said previously, but it wouldn’t be the first time he changed his mind. Either way, you’re probably right. Still would like to see it.
I hope so man. Because there are a couple of people left out of this roster that should be a part of the Gold Cup but won’t be if JK sticks to his guns.
No. That roster will change.
yes, but this roster provides a lot of insight into what the Gold Cup roster will be.
The 4 MLS keepers will be cycled throughout, so they won’t miss too many games for their clubs since they’re all third on the depth chart when theyre in camp
Landon needs to find some German ancestry quick! This will clear up any hard feelings Klinsi has towards you for missing previous camps or being out of form.
Linder Von DonorHorst ???
Or, as Klinsmann has a penchant for Mexican League players
Landorio Donavez
or become Landono Pablo de la Donovan would also work
Chandler gets to skip this but Klinssi allows him with open arms yet, Donovan who had mental issues and needed a break gets a Gold Cup invite instead….yeah, that makes sense and is fair.
Going out on a limb to say Chandler didn’t tear his own ligaments to avoid coming to camp.
and Klinsy didn’t really bring Chandler back “with open arms” for the last two qualifiers after his stinker in Honduras..or was he injured again i forgot.. either way Chandler does not look like a World Cup option unless he really plays well in the 4 fall qualifiers.
that’s kinda what they did in Victory (breaking the goalie’s arm) so that Stallone could play … I know that really makes no sense, but that’s the thought that came to mind, and i needed to get it out, stat
i’m out on that limb with you, julio, cause quite frankly chandler was never going to give up his vacation time to sweat against gritty concacaf opponents in important WCQs that would expose him. Even if Timothy really was injured, it was minor and I have no doubt that Jurgen asked his buddy to join him in camp and Chandler refused.
/facepalm
“No, I don’t think so [in regards to Germany match],” Chandler explained. “[I’m] thinking about the qualifying game[s] for the USA.”
“I could be out for four to five weeks for recovery, I have to look at what the doctor says from our team.”
dumb comment is dumb.
Ok I was wrong. Fire klinsmann
Not totally related but Kljestan just scored a goal
totally related. Go Sasha.
The hypocrisy continues with JK. Shea hasn’t even put on his boots in months but gets called in. How can anybody take him seriously when he says that you must be playing to be called in. And 6 keepers? Just one of those spots couldn’t go to Donovan? People are kidding themselves if they think that this team isn’t better with Donovan on the field. Even as a sub and at 80% fitness. We’ll be playing for another 0-0 draw or hope for a 1-0 win at best again and he will consider it a success. How long until that’s not good enough anymore
Brian Sciaretta?
Stu?
Rodney?
Beckerman?
Holden had a run of starts at least while on loan to Sheffield Wednesday.
who cares about Holden?! he’ll only play a part in the Gold Cup.
+1
No clue what Shea is doing on this roster, other than he is the best ‘winger’ we have …other than Beasley or ….Donovan.
After bailing on everyone Donovan shouldn’t even be considered in the pool until he proves his commitment to the team again.
If you view the roster through that lens then both Beasley and Shea are the best options available and both are on the team as a result. I support it.
David:
We know what you think about Donovan from your many, many posts. Just because you say something often doesn’t make it fact, it just makes you annoying. It is still just one person’s opinion. I disagree with you and that’s my opinion. Please accept it and do not respond.
The overall team talent is better but the culture is far worse. I’d rather have the latter.
Conspiracy theory: JK is leaving Donovan with the Galaxy for the club’s benefit (as well as the playing time)…
I’m not attacking you here, just making a point. Why would JK care about the Galaxy? These are WCQs, the only thing more important is the World Cup itself.
As a Galaxy fan, I only wish this was Klinsmann’s motivation. The fact is, all these national team coaches have egos. I have no doubt that Klinsmann has no desire to do anything to make Bruce Arena look good. And vice-versa.
Also, speaking as a Galaxy fan, I’m fine with Donovan going off to international duty for senior team WC Qualifiers, but frankly, as far as Gold Cup goes… meh? I’d rather he stay home and get us through the summer.
“I have no doubt that Klinsmann has no desire to do anything to make Bruce Arena look good.”
Your assessment is Klinsmann would hold back; his team, his teams qualification and more importantly his general job performance to spite Bruce Arena?
You (and others) can call JK many names but to attach this type of absurdity to his name is comical.
i count 28.
disappointed that Steve Cherundolo isnt there.. hope this isnt the end of his USNT career. and obviously Landon Donovan, but im sure he will be ready for a great Gold Cup run soon..
You know guys, all of your questions are answered in the roster notes.
The keepers will be rotating through camp so they can also make their club commitments and still get a run out. Courtesy of MLS scheduling.
that is a terrible reason. i’d rather have Torres, Lichaj, and Morales in camp and staying in shape for the Gold Cup. JK’s own rule about not playing in the Gold Cup if you don’t make this roster and play in Europe (aside from Scandanvia) or Mexico makes his idea to call in 6 keepers even more STUPID.
Why, there is no special reason the camp has to be 26, it could be 20 or 30. All that is necessary is that the players JK actually expects to use are included as well as a set of back-ups, the rest are there to either show what they can do at present or to fill out the sides in the little competitions that go on. If that means more keepers are needed, what is the problem with that? There is no real reason to think dropping 2 or 3 of the 6 keepers would increase the number of field players called in. And for that matter, there is no rule that forbids calling additional players later.
like i said above, i was off on this. it was my initial impression that 26 players were listed and that 6 of them were GKs. that was stupid to me. but there are actually 29 players, 25 of which are locked in and that 26th spot will go to whoever JK decides to bring as the 3rd GK. so i’m all good now.
No mixx….? Smfh
When he commits to Norway, I will cry.
+1
++1
Gold Cup or he is out..still in season up in Norway/Sweden with Gatt and Bedoya so no need to panic yet.
+1, for sure. He’ll be there, IMO…then again you never know what Klinsy’s gonna do.
exactly. we KNEW no player from Scandinavia was going to be in this camp.
well, except for Goodson.
he will be at the Gold Cup!!!! pay attention people!
Why are we bringing in (at forward) Eddie Johnson and Boyd when we have several promising young players like Villareal, McInerney, and McBean who should be (as not our number ones) developed for the future. A hungry, gifted youngster could be positive for the team and future of the team.
Our future at forward may be positive when you consider Altidore (23), Agudelo (20), McInerney (20), Villareal (19), McBean (18) are all in the pipeline.
Mcbean is overrated
and has a broken collar bone
Boyd is in that same age range and has Quietly scored 16 goals in Europe. He has earned his spot on the team
“Mcbean is overrated”
I’ve been saying that for awhile. Not drinking the koolaid.
Didn’t realize about his injury.
But, I’m optimistic based on what I’ve seen of those four MLS youngsters. I think they’re as worth attention as Altidore was. He is strong, determined, has good technical control, a solid shot, good headers, a sense for positioning and he’s on a team learning around players like Robbie Keane, Landon Donovan, and (formerly) David Beckham.
I am not saying McBean, or others, are going to be spectacular. But I think there’s good reason to give them attention.
He has been much more effective in position and getting into positions against full grown men than Villareal, who aside from a spectacular goal and drawing a PK, has been absolutely a black hole for possession and creating chances on offense.
How long have you been saying “McBean is overrated,” exactly? Because he’s only played about seven games with the Galaxy senior team, beginning last year. Before that he was on the reserve team, and before that he was in the Galaxy Academy. So you, what, go to a lot of Academy matches? At high school fields and the like? Kool Aid indeed.
I’ll give you an assignment since you like statistics: Go sift through SBI to find out.
It directly correlates with the first several posts of hype praising his “potential”.
Be sure to update your findings. I’m incredibly interested.
Uh Terrence Boyd is lighting it up and at 22 years old im positive he counts as a promising young player.
Not impressed.
Boyd is only 22 and just had great season in Austria. While I expect Villareal to become great, I think Boyd will end up being better than McInerney and McBean.
I think MLS and Austria are pretty much on the same level. And, I haven’t seen enough from Boyd to prove to me that he’s anything special. Not to mention that he’s another foreigner with a US passport and I would rather have someone who is as talented or more promising who has a more meaningful connection and affection for the US. After all, it’s the team that represents our nation.
How about if Boyd got a giant American flag tattooed on his arm?
What’s wrong with Boyd? I think he is a fantastic all-around forward. He’s shown a lot of bright spots for me. Certainly he’s better than McBean (who is injured anyway)
(and his name is annoying, lol)
1. Villarreal is not ready for the senior team dude. Plus, he has the World Cup to worry about and LA aren’t going to want him gone for both.
2. McBean is injured.
3. Jack Mac will be at the Gold Cup.
and how can you say Boyd ISN’T a promising young striker?!?!?
Because he is so-so. That’s why.
alright then
Not thrilled with the inclusions of Parkhurst and Davis.
good, no one should be. lol
Why on earth are Michael Parkhurst and Danny Williams on this roster???
Lichaj and Orozco Fiscal both deserve it more than Parkhurst who hasn’t even dressed in 2 months.
Bedoya, Diskerud, Torres, Feilhaber and even Beckerman are just a few that deserve to be there more than Williams…
I agree about Lichaj and Orozco deserving it more than Parkhurst…or 3 extra keepers. They would have been nice to have for the Gold Cup.
Bedoya, Mix, Beckerman, and Feilhaber will be on the Gold Cup team. so no surprise there. No one should have expected to see ANY of those players in this camp. Torres, however, should be there too because now we can’t use him in the Gold Cup either. I’m worried about the Gold Cup team now. No Torres, Morales, Lichaj, Orozco, etc. which is insane.
I completely agree, but I figured maybe one of them deserved to get a surprise callup to this camp over Williams.
i think so too. i think we all expected Williams to be left behind. and i like him, but he’s not playing right now.
Read the Q&A with Jurgen:
““There are definitely some 50-50 cases for players that we moved toward the Gold Cup where we want to have a very strong roster as well, and we are very excited about that tournament. A player like Kyle Beckerman could be in this camp, but having him in the Gold Cup is a tremendous value. We have players like Josh Gatt, Mix Diskerud, and Alejandro Bedoya, guys that are doing really well who could be ready for the upcoming camp, but will also be in a full rhythm for the Gold Cup, so in that moment we shift them over to that roster. Another player we have a very close eye on is Aron Johannsson,”
http://www.ussoccer.com/news/mens-national-team/2013/05/jurgen-klinsmann-roster-release-qa.aspx
are you telling me that Eddie Johnson is more dangerous than Donovan? come on
Yes! *trying to keep a straight face*
No but he’s more loyal and dedicated at this point and that should (and apparently does) matter more.
So you’d set up a three-game quali roster based on loyalty tests? Does being loyal mean you can score or defend?
I could understand if this was Chandler before the cap-tie but this is a former team captain who used to be The Most Routine US Player Of The Bunch. And as a practical matter, I seriously doubt Landon has problems gelling with the team, he’s only played with everyone called in for years.
I could understand a performance objection instead, but that would be dubious after last night. A mixed bag of film should get a high performer in camp, particularly when he has an excuse and is not carrying known knocks.
“So you’d set up a three-game quali roster based on loyalty tests? Does being loyal mean you can score or defend?”
Yes to the first question and no to the second. It is a simple matter to check that loyalty box and I can think of only a few people who have ever called their loyalty into doubt. It is rarely an issue. Chandler certainly doesn’t have that box checked but that is obvious (although I did support his cap at Honduras to cap tie him). Donovan has been a hero for the USMNT and US Soccer in general. I don’t deny that and certainly appreciate him for it. But no one should be able to rest on their laurels. You should always ask the question, “What have you done for me lately?” Donovan could have just taken an off season and not gone on loan or gone into camp but then reported for his club team on time. Instead he bailed on both the club team and the national team. He should have to pay his dues again to get back in the club. All he needs to do is play in the Gold Cup to show he is committed and then the loyalty box is no longer an issue. He’d only miss these 3 qualifiers. Chandler could take the same route if he isn’t injured.
It should matter, but only to the extent that it may or may not impact results. No more, no less. This is the highest level. There aren’t bonus points in the WC for loyal squads.
Programs based on loyalty and commitment to the team tend to have long term success. Those that value talent over everything else may put all the pieces in place for one season but they tend to crash and burn big time afterwards and require a lot of rebuilding to even get back into contention. I’d rather be mediocre now but not dig ourselves into a hole by destroying our team culture and chemistry.
And that is really making a mountain out of a mole hill. Donovan can prove himself in the Gold Cup and get back into the “senior” team before the Hex is over.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t matter, and yes, chemistry is important. I was responding to your black/white statement that it should matter more than all else. It shouldn’t, plain and simple. Talent is a requirement. Skill is needed to support the style of play. Many people have said it – there are certain players (very loyal players by your standards) who are much better when LD is on the field and providing service/cover. I’m OK with the omission as long as JK is being honest about the reasons why. I don’t, however, think you can honestly argue that there are many better players at his position in the pool, right now. I don’t see it.
You commented above that “what have you done for me lately” should be continuously asked as part of the set-up. Doesn’t that kind of fly in the face of loyalty? Or is it OK for only one half of the partnership to be loyal?
I won’t argue LD there are any better players at his position right now because I don’t think there are but I’ll still agree to disagree that loyalty trumps skill.
If you frame the “what have you done for me lately” question in terms of loyalty then it is him who violated the partnership first and there for it should be expected that the team/organization reset the relationship to a lower level of trust.
Even if you chose to frame the question as encompassing skill as well as loyalty then I still think it is ok for a player to be dropped when their skill drops. If you are loyal and putting the team first you should be content to make way for players who prove themselves better than you because it will make the team better. This doesn’t apply to Donovan however and I don’t pretend it does.
don’t want to wait for moderation
I won’t argue LD there are any better players at his position right now because I don’t think there are but I’ll still agree to disagree that loyalty trumps skill.
If you frame the “what have you done for me lately” question in terms of loyalty then it is him who violated the partnership first and there for it should be expected that the team/organization reset the relationship to a lower level of trust.
Even if you chose to frame the question as encompas$ing skill as well as loyalty then I still think it is ok for a player to be dropped when their skill drops. If you are loyal and putting the team first you should be content to make way for players who prove themselves better than you because it will make the team better. This doesn’t apply to Donovan however and I don’t pretend it does.
I was waiting for the Eddie Murphy reference…
Disgusting – No Donovan or Bedoya but we have Parkhurst, Shea, Danny Williams? What the hell is wrong with this guy? No one can convince me he isn’t harboring a grudge towards Donovan. And no Bedoya blows my mind
Agreed on Bedoya, and Landon not being included is ridiculous. We, again, have limited wing options and the options we do have at the wing are being listed as defenders they should clearly be on the wing for us (i.e. Beasley and FJ). If you bring in Edgar Castillo, play him at left back and move Fabian to either Left or Right Wing. Fabian is our best dribbler, incisive passer, and winger in the entire pool, play him where he can be dangerous for us.
Bedoya makes since. he’ll be at the Gold Cup. and JK said players would not play major roles in both.
Shea might be useful if fit and healthy, and maybe we can take a Holden flier on him. But then why not Landon also?
Bedoya, meh.
Parkhurst is too slow and Williams stinks.
What particularly concerns me is Kljestan and Williams and Parkhurst against athletic teams like Panama, Jamaica, and Honduras. I don’t think they are good enough to provide their perceived technical value, and they’re overmatched as athletes.
You’ve seen Kljestan play a lot lately, have you? I’m sure the top team in Belgium doesn’t need a fast, athletic attacking center mid, and settled for Kljestan instead.
It’s worth noting the details on SBI… the chosen picture is entirely consistent with the latest roster. Your efforts are noticed and appreciated, good sir.
Why on earth are there so many keepers on the roster?
release said that the MLS keepers were going to rotate through the camp.
SO STUPID
It is good to have decent keepers in small-sided games, to me that implies at least 4 in camp most of the time and maybe a 5th for some specialized training while the s-s games are ongoing.
i will admit i was off on this. i did not notice it was 29 players. i thought it was 26 with 6 of them being GKs. i’m ok with the GK situation now.
JK saw Kenny Cooper’s handball goal and thought they had changed the rules to allow players to throw the ball into the net.
I though Altidore was not going to be released to come to camp?
Earnie Stewart said he is working with US soccer on a release date that is beneficial for both, so he will be there but probably just a little late.
he might not be. but he’s still called up for the WCQs…
I’m cool with Sacha being called up. Now the big question is will JK play him in the right spot.
Can some one tell Klinsmann we can only play one goalie at a time. Otherwise I know what he is thinking but it just is not allowed.
Does exclusion from this camp mean exclusion from the upcoming qualifiers? If so, Donovan’s absence is ridiculous.
yes
Yes. This is the camp for the set of the 5 games as far as I understand it.
Yes, and it also means any player based in Europe (outside of Scandinavia) and in Mexico who did not make it will not be a part of the Gold Cup. Makes no sense. At least LD has the Gold Cup, but Torres is SOL despite having a great season. Maybe JK breaks his own rule…
Are these really rules? I’d assume they are more guidelines.
well, i say rule, you say guideline…in the end, JK made that statement. hopefully he won’t stick to it…that’s not unusual for him…
I’d be surprised if there were no exceptions and a little disappointed just like you.
Torres has wasted opportunities for two years. And many here were bashing Klinsi for playing him. The position he plays best in, we’re stacked with Jones and Bradley.
I’m sure we’ll see Torres in the Gold Cup.
What the heck has Shea done? I thought it was all about playing time? Also, I am pretty sure Donovan has more goals than EJ…. and EJ is a freaking forward! JK is a JoKe!
You would think since that is what JK harp about when he didn’t bring in other players when he first started coaching, remember it is about playing time. I’m okay with LD not being included, although I think it is a bit asinine. But calling in brek, i’m a huge fan of him, when he has hardly any minutes at Stoke is a joke. Clearly JK is playing games and sending messages by leaving LD out.
Klinsmann is a big fat hypocrite. He is simply punishing Donovan for taking time off. He is treating players differently and not equally. He has not chosen Donovan because of disciplinary reasons, but has chosen instead to tell everybody that he is “not match fit yet”
Brek Shea’s brief appearances at Stoke were so underwhelming they couldn’t even get a team to take him on loan, once it was determined he could not make the 1st 18.
Donovan has more minutes, more goals, more assists so far this season that Holden and Shea put together.
If Klinsmann is doing this to Donovan to motivate him to be better, it is stupid and could backfire. It’s stupid as Donovan knows more than anyone about the limits for his body, his touch and his match fitness. He has admitted publicly he is not 100 percent yet, but even a Donovan at 70-80 percent is better than many of his replacements.
It is fortunate for the USMNT and US soccer in general that Donovan is not a petty man. Many players who have been left off teams for disciplinary reasons, tell the coach to take a hike and remove themselves from the team at least until that coach is gone. We are lucky that Donovan is not petty, but will play along with this charade because we know and he knows that the USMNT needs him more than they need Klinsmann.
I think the Shea choice was based on the same logic as Holden: Get them fit for the season. You have to remember, Shea went to England hurt and without a preseason. Klinsi wants to get him back into game shape for Stoke’s preseason.
I see Holden and Shea both being investments for the start of the next season. Not as players who are going to make a difference now. Which I’m fine with. On every roster, there’s three spots open for training: Shea and Holden take two.
And its a good message to send. Team > player regardless of talent or experience. Bailing on the team should be x10 worse than not getting regular club minutes. Glad Klinsmann is treating it appropriately.
This whole “team above individual” argument is a crayon-drawing representation of team sports. The objective is to WIN and you’d be hard pressed to argue that Landon can’t, at a mimimum, help them right now.
Look at the New England patriots for an example of Team > players. Look at the French national team over the last cycle or two for the extreme version of Players > Team.
Dynasties tend to use the team > players approach. One off champions that collapse soon after tend to use the players > team approach. You may win in the short term by winning at all costs but ruining your team culture and chemistry to do it will bite you hard down the road.
I’m with you, it’s just that we don’t have the luxury of stellar depth. Our mediocre play has proven that.
I see what you are saying but if we are going to be honest the USMNT is going to be mediocre with or without Donovan. He just makes us a better version of mediocre that can generate a few more chances. We still aren’t going to be rolling Mexico or seriously threatening any team that has won a WC.
Not to be a downer, we’re on an upward trajectory either way.
I forgot to say that if we are going to be overall mediocre either way why sell out the team chemistry. That seems really short sighted to me.
I’m not going to argue LD can’t help us win now because you’re right he can. I just don’t care.
At least not until he proves he’s committed again.
and how does that argument apply to Tim Chandler? Chandler’s done everything he can to make it clear that he couldn’t care less about the USMNT, and yet he’s called in time and time again. Meanwhile a 31 year old Donovan, who’s been bleeding red white and blue for almost 15 years, says “look, I just need a break,” and he get kicked to the curb. Ridiculous. Hypocrisy.
Chandler has never truly been part of the team. He got playing time for a bit at the beginning of this cycle but then got no call ups when he declined to get cap tied. He got a call up and cap at Honduras in order to cap tie him for later just in case. Now that he is cap tied he shouldn’t get an automatic spot on the roster until he proves his commitment by doing the dirty work of camps, friendlies, and CONCACAF tourneys.
If you think EJ on his best day is better than Landon on his worst….ditto Kljestan and Shea.
Not only Shea, but Danny Williams has not made the bench since, I think, late March. Oh, I forgot, though: Klinsmann needs Williams to play right wing.
You are correct biff! Danny Williams hasn’t played at all and was average at best before his injury. His minutes began to diminish as the season wore on. Brek….please! JK’s decisions are getting more bizarre and the hypocrisy. I’ve watched Tigres play quite a bit in liga mx and Jose Torres’ play has been very solid. I could go on…..
I love these posts as they tend to focus only on the concept of “he said this but did that” to deomstrate JK contradicting himself and thus by narural law becomes a liar, an idiot or worse.
But then a surevey comes out about LD after the Philly game and many people were allowed to change their minds and opinions.
This is not about LD or JK either. This is more to the point that people can, do and will change their minds with more information.
Williams was injured at the end of the season, carried a knock if I remember correctly. And when he got back into shape, the team was too desperate for points to worry about a recuperating DM.
Jose Torres definitely deserves a callup before Shea.
As a texan I’m a fan of Torres but not on the international level
BS dude. Torres should be here simply so we have him for the Gold Cup. by leaving him off, he won’t play at the Gold Cup if JK sticks to his word. THAT is Fing dumb. starting CM for Tigres has no place on the US team for WCQs or the Gold Cup?!?!
Why would JK stick to what he said earlier? That would limit his options in putting together what he thinks is the best team available. I for one, think any coach who makes pronouncements about playing time, quality of club team, quality of club team’s opposition, whether MLS or not, etc. is just not thinking very much with regards to being held to his words. But such words can be useful in letting players know some of the things the coach is looking for. Whether or not Torres will be in the Gold Cup squad is likely something JK has yet to determine.
JK continuously does this. He makes pronouncements then does not stick to them. It makes him appear wishy washy, inconsistent, and flaky to the fans, the media, and to his team. Callups are prized highly by players and when the manager clear criteria for callups only to violate said criteria all over the map, it provides seeds for discontent. That’s why Bayern practically rose up in rebellion against him and why he’s held in such low esteem there. He’s lucky that USA has such a high character, team first mentality or he’d face the same problems here. This has been a common problem throughout every managing stop in his career and he’s yet to address it. If you tell your players something, you’d better follow through or you lose respect. It’s management 101. He needs to just shut the heck up and stop talking out of his a$$. All he has to to is to tell the press that there are a variety of factors he’s considering and go into it a bit and he can justify any call up. Instead he says no one gets called up if they’re benched in Europe and then violates that. It’s blatant stupidity.
i agree, JK clearly doesn’t always stick to his rules. but idk, i could see him sticking to that rule…i certainly hope not. Torres should be at the Gold Cup.
Oh my, Tigres ~ goosebumps~
I forgot that the entire Tigres team plays for MNT because they are so awesome.
wow, this shows your ignorance. Tigres was the best team in Liga MX and Torres was their starting CM. just because you think Liga MX is trash does not make it true. So yes, the starting CM for Tigres, who is also a US national, should be on the US Gold Cup team.
Tigres means Tigers in English. You should be scared.
and before Williams. and i like Williams and Shea.
No huge surprises to me, except the number of keepers.
Starting XI:
——————-Howard—————–
Johnson–Gonzo–Besler–Castillo
————–Bradley-Jones————–
Zusi———–Dempsey——–Gomez
——————–Jozy———————-
Does this mean its Zusi and Gomez on set pieces? I miss Donovan on corners. Maybe Sacha will step up this summer
Zusi and Gomez offer decent service, and Dempsey has even scored from a FK this season. I think at one point Jones was even taking corners for club, though I’m not 100% sure.
I don’t recall Donovan being stellar at set-pieces, at least not notably better than the others. We’re missing a FK specialist. If only Davis could run faster, think faster, and dribble better.
Holden will take set pieces once he’s fully back
No he won’t, Donovan and Zusi would be ahead of him
Not looking for decent service…Looking for quality service… Zusi is in camp but not sold as a lock for starter
You’re kidding, right? You “don’t remember” Donovan being stellar at set pieces? He’s a set piece master and has been the USMNT FK taker for a decade, as well as our PK taker. Ditto Galaxy. He was handed the job at Everton too, with no hesitation. If you need proof of his ability to strike the CK, just take a look at the highlights from the Galaxy game last night.
From my POV landon either hits the first guy with his corners (50% of the time) or they are stellar. those are the 2 outcomes.
If Davis could do all that, he surely wouldn’t be playing in MLS.
LOL! You made me laugh with that one. Brad Davis is a great player, he just hasn’t really had his time to shine with the squad yet. Klinnsman keeps putting him in at the end of the match with less than 5 minutes left to try and use his experience to contain things. His service on dead balls, free kicks, corners, and everything else is better than Jermaine Jones, Graham Zusi, or Landon Donavan. Keep in mind, I’m not saying Brad is an overrall better player than the ones I mentioned, but he is better at doing the things I described than the ones I just mentioned. Go Dynamo!
Umm Cameron is playing RB dude
Johnson doesn’t play RB
Fabian was moved to left back from right back and right midfield in Germany..
If Dolo is out Fabian is the next best right back in the US pool.
He might do a
————-Guzan——-Howard——–Hamid—————
—Johnson—-Omar—-Cam——-Castillo
———–JJ———–Bradley
——-Demps——–Jozy
Would love to see
————Howard————–
Cameron-Gonzo-Besler-Johnson
Dempsey-Bradley-Jones-Beasley
——–Altidore–Gomez———
6 keepers but no Dolo or LD….. I don’t get it.
Interesting to see Holden but no Donovan. I feel as if they both have had about equal playing time since they came back. Makes sense with Donovan being due to “sabbatical” but it is still intriguing to me
Holden’s season is over and Donovan is in the middle of his.
Agreed… Holden needs games and serious training and there aren’t other ways for him to do those at his club.
Doesn’t matter, I doubt Arena would oppose him camping, so same difference. LA has started out well and is usually focused on late season performance anyway.
Plus, this is Hex ball, you call in the A squad and then if you want some tryout players they come in at the end of the callups. Klinsi’s decision did not look screwball before last night but now you’re talking leaving out a traditional A team guy who just dismantled a team in club play last night.
Without considering who else he called in, because I don’t think they affected whether he was going to get a call or not, the Donovan situation is just the Jozy situation during the last pre-Hex qualies 2.0. Klinsmann has a message to send and he’ll do so by a wake-up no call even if it means we don’t have the best 23 players in the immediate term, so that hopefully there is a long term benefit. The Jozy situation worked out ok (barely, thanks to EJ/Alan Gordon) so I’m giving Klinsmann the benefit of the doubt until it plays out, even though I’d obviously prefer to have Landon on the team at this point.
“middle of his” what are you talking about it’s may 15 and Galaxy played 10 games and Donovan not even 10 in Mls.He is out of shape let him play in the league.
Roster notes on US Soccer say Dolos knee is not fully healed yet by the time the call ups went out awhile back.
Hope people remember that we are getting this list a long time after the call ups actually happen.
Thanks for the heads up on Dolo. That was a head scratcher for me.
Then why did Dolo start and play 90 mintues for Hannover last weekend?
Because the people who pay him decided he could play, and may not have been too keen on him playing for the national team?
Get well soon, Steve.
Saw on US Soccer’s twitter that Klinsi is calling up SIX keepers???
NO Dolo and Chandler….hopefully one of them will be ready by June.
six keepers is a Fing joke.
I am a f.ing joke. Are you laughing.
Lol yes
With the gold cup coming up and the likelihood of many of these players moving abroad in a few years, maybe it’s to help work permit issues.
Stuart Holden is a head scratcher to me and rings of favoritism. As much as I like Stu, the reality is that he has only 17 caps and none in over 2 years. That, along with 5 appearances for Sheffield Wednesday and some Bolton Reserve appearances in that same time span since that horrid injury compliments of Jonny Evans 2+ years ago belies what JK has stressed that players need to be playing regularly with club if they want consideration for NAT call ups!
Not if what you are doing is looking at Gold Cup and beyond in terms of deciding the tail end of the GK roster. Been somewhat unsettled at 3rd keeper and as far as I’m concerned Hall has more potential and Rimando more production at a level that Johnson and Hamid have not attained.
I don’t quite know how it’s practically do-able in practices but I don’t think it’s a pure open tryout for 3 spots so much as a callin for 2 usual suspects plus an open audition for no. 3 and for Gold Cup time. Not that different than calling in Holden to get him in NT shape and see what he offers through the conclusion of Gold Cup.
I mean, this morning I was reading snark about Hamid and Johnson, and I’m not comfortable with them…..
here was my issue before i took the time to calm down and look. i read this article and Ives said it was 26 people but listed 29. so, in my head, out of 26 players, 6 of them were goalies. that made no sense to me. in reality, it’s 29 players, 6 of which are keepers, meaning 23 out field players. 23 + 3 GKs = 26 which is what we figured. the other three goalies did not take any extra spots like i originally thought.
so, as far as the GK thing goes, i’ve relaxed. lol
The 4 MLS goalies are going to rotate in. Johnson will be there first, followed by Hamid when the team is in DC. Hall will be in camp for Jamaica, and Rimando will be with them the rest of the time
Wow that actually makes sense when you put it like that
I also saw that Tony Meola, John Joyce and Terry Sawchuck were added last minute, check the revised list.
As Sawchuk was capped already by the Canadians I doubt it.
Droll of the year.
Looks like a 3-3-3-2 formation is in the works, my friends. A clean sheet factory.
+1
No keeper? Klinsi has das balls.
I think he meant 3 keepers..?
Lets play an 11.
3 keepers on the line, with 8 carousing around the box picking crosses and corner kicks out of the air with their hands and then goalie throwing down field every time.
It’s so the backups can be rotated over the course of the camp so that no single MLS team is losing their keeper for the full duration. None of those last four keepers really have a shot at playing.
Cherundolo? He’s healthy now, no?
Oh and Donovan isn’t injured or unfit so tally hall over him or even hamid is a head scratcher
…so the said it could be as many as 27 players and they called 26…any chance you think they might invite Donovan in a week or so? Cuz you know someone is going to get a knock in this camp.
…never mind I just read Fuhrer Klinsmann’s quote….
“But maybe later on we will definitely expect him back on the team.”
Lmao Can someone please explain to me what this means? Jurgen needs to come to grips that English is his second language and he would be better off if he stuck to what most German’s do when speaking English, say as little as possible.
I think he uses the word “maybe” as a filler rather than its actual meaning, which is a little more obvious when you hear him speak.
Yea it’s common for my Austrian friend to use “maybe” and sometimes draw it out like “mayyyybeee” instead of “um” or “uh” or just stuttering while he searches for the word he wants in english.
“German’s do”
While we’re mocking someone for their efforts at speaking English, can we please, please, at least observe basic rules of English grammar?
A Nazi reference? Did your mom okay your computer use?
Mike, while that term does apply to Nazi’s in a sense, it is a German term for leader or guide which would describe the position that Klinsmann holds in US soccer. You are the one who made this into a Nazi discussion.
BAM!
Ask any German you know if they would call someone “Fuhrer” as a standalone title and they will tell you no.
More so outside the German language itself the word is used and connotated exclusively as a reference to Hitler.
The word for leader in German is Leiter, and has been the common word since the 3rd Reich.
Educate yourself on the words you use before you use them.
Boom! Way to drop some knowledge and do us all a big favor.
Props.
Wunderbar
Well put, sir. Well put.
should be connoted, not connotated, if we are going to split hairs.
No, he didn’t. You did. It doesn’t matter if you’re technically correct on the definition of the word. It’s connotation is what’s problematic, but this is just a blog, so what the hell.
Hey, Mike E. Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Do an Internet search on the word Geschäftsführer, as in Geschäfts/Führer, a word that is widely used in German and see how many times it pops up. They don’t says Geschäftsleiter (Geschäfts/Leiter).
And, Mike E., if I ask you an easy question will you give an honest answer? Yeah? Good. Until recently had you been posting on SBI under a different username?
It’s Adriian’s new name (aka ChiTown, A, LaLiga, Khan, and many others over the years, including some imaginary friends who post only to agree with Adrian or ask help defend his position when he is being attacked — most recently “Joe Schmoe”).
While I understand that, let’s be honest… that was definitely a Hitler reference which is pretty uncalled for.
…I am trying to figure out how you would possibly know what I am referencing if you are not me. The only answer I can think of is that you don’t. I had no intention of bringing Nazi Germany into this conversation(I was using the word in it’s LITERAL SENSE, I am sorry that some took my response the wrong way.) If you can’t accept that, get over it. If you can’t get over it I don’t care enough to apologize a second time.
And after the 2006 WC, they called him the kaiser in Germany
Actually no. That was Oliver Kahn’s nickname.
Actually it is Beckenbauer’s nickname.
It is possible that they all were given that nickname.
No, there is only one Kaiser.
Heil the Kaiser!