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D.C. United sign Academy product Bill Hamid

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Lost in the build up and aftermath of yesterday's Open Cup defeat against Seattle was D.C. United's signing of Academy goalie Bill Hamid. He agreed to terms of a Generation adidas contract, becoming the first United Academy player to sign with the first team.

The 18-year-old has a massive physical presence from up close, and is list at 6'3", 235 pounds. Because of the new roster rules and regulations, Hamid will not count towards the 24-player limit and can train with the club. While he can't play in the league, he would be available for the CONCACAF Champions League matches United has remaining.

What do you think of the move by D.C.? Will Hamid start in any of their remaining Champions League matches, or should he be brought along more slowly? Or perhaps with the implosion of Josh Wicks, be used sooner? Happy to see MLS academy programs starting to produce talent?

Share your thoughts below.

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  1. Hamid is above macmath on the USA u20s… hamid is fourth on the list macmath is 5th on the list…. earl edwards is 6th…

    Hamid was about to sign with benfica and fc porto both… samir badr never went to barcelona… that is a lie! only fc porto showed interest in him… so hamid has had interest from celtic, benfica, fc porto and a team called stromsgodset in norway… just a little info on it… Im sure those teams are better than UMD! Hamid wouldve been a back up on the reserve team at celtic… and that comes from a direct link from celtic….

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  2. Good luck to the kid. I still think that MLS made a horrible mistake by cancelling the reserve league. An additional half dozen youth players only cost another $250K in salaries while the travel costs might reach another $100K.

    Considering the growth in revenues (I’m thinking the league is averaging well over $10 Million laterly), MLS should be able to afford to develope another 70-80 prospects a year.

    I say keep the “senior” roster at 24 and allow up to six GA/youth/whatever players on the youth setup until they turn 21 at which point the team would have to bring them to the senior roster or release them.

    If they aren’t good enough to make the top twenty-four players on a MLS team by that age, then they probably aren’t hot prospects any more.

    Does Hamid get scholership money set aside like the other GA contracts should he flop as a pro?

    As is, I have no idea how he’ll turn out. There’s dozens of young “protegies” every year which fade away with relatively little fuss. Brandon Martinelli anyone? How about that kid Utah drafted #1 a few years back?

    Good luck, Bill.

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  3. (SBI-Iker Casillas made a Champions League start at 16, was starting regularly for Real Madrid at 18 and won the Champions League final just days after his 19th birthday. Okay, so he IS the best goalkeeper in the world, but it does show that it isn’t IMPOSSIBLE for a goalkeeper to get a look and do well as a pro at that age. Tim Howard got his first start for New York at 19. That’s what you would like to see for Hamid, a chance to play here and there if he’s mature enough. I agree with everything you said Northzax, but I also don’t think it hurts for people to dream about a potential new prodigy coming through the ranks. As for world-class keepers younger than 25, here are some:
    Igor Akinfeev (23, starting for CSKA Moscow since he was 17)
    Manuel Neuer (23, starting for Schalke 04)
    Rene Adler (23, starting for Bayer Leverkusen)
    Oscar Ustari (23, starting for Getafe)

    Posted by: northzax | September 03, 2009 at 04:59 PM

    Don’t forget about Rui Patricio starting for Sporting Lisbon since he was 18, and now third choice for Portuguese NT at the age of 21.

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  4. If he’s only 18 and already 235 lb then he might have some trouble keeping his weight down when he’s older. Just something a lot of people miss when evaluating teenagers with potential to be good players.

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  5. “wasn’t he about to sign for FC Porto’s reserves?”- Jason

    No………..that was Samir Badr Who had the chance between either FC porto or Barcelona(i think he impressed them as well in his trial).but int he nd it hink he signed for FC Porto.

    Also cant DC United Loan Hamid out to USL-1 or USL-2 this year?

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  6. its about time, MLS has been too much about boring expierance(robots) and no young American Talent like it used to be with Howard,Beasley,etc. years ago. I hope red bulls sign Jon Agudelo, a 16/17 year old Striker from the U-17 USMNT..who is fast,skilled,and big(6’0, 185 lb.)…..sounds like the next jozy Altidore to me.

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  7. Jimmy!! And MacMath was actually playing as the #1 goalie for the U18s. Apples to oranges. How about the fact that MacMath was on the U17 Cup team in ’07, and Hamid was not? Perhaps Hamid is catching MacMath, but it’s silly to point to this signing as evidence that he is in fact ahead of MacMath on the USA depth chart. Really, it’s evidence that Hamid was still in the Academy system, while MacMath has won an NCAA national championship and is starting for a top program. When he graduates or enters the draft, he’ll get his own GenAd contract.

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  8. about macmath. he is on one of the top 2/3 programs in the country. two titles in 4 years. another top recruiting class. md doesnt reload. we rebuild. and hes not splitting time with swain this year. he won the starters job halfway through last year, had 12 shutouts, and .44 gaa. pretty good. not saying ones better then the other, ive never seen hamid play, but thats my two cents.

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  9. if macmath was ahead of him wouldnt he be signed up thru the gen adidas program….also maryland is clearly not one of the top teams in college this season….little research would go a long way in backing up that statement. Macmath has a underdeveloped body at 175 lbs or whatever he claims to be these days…..hamid is a legit prospect unlike macmath who unfortunately will rot away in college game. Hamid was in camp for the 20s this year , which a little research would also clear up.

    your pleasantries are duly noted

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  10. @Jimmy — Well, neither of them have played for the U20s this year. On the other hand, Hamid is a year older than MacMath, and yet it is MacMath that is starting for one of the top 2 or 3 college teams. Would Hamid be handed such a responsibility even if he were interested? Maybe, maybe not. So, not really a silly statement. However, your pleasantries are duly noted.

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  11. macMath is not ahead of Hamid as judged by national team appearences with u20s and also the fact that macmath is still splitting games in college while Hamid is in a professional enviornment now…..silly statement

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  12. Thanks Fischy.

    I had not known that Lietget was also signed. Four of our top U-17 prospects gone even before they play in the U-17 World Cup. Yea, MLS needs to step up with long term contracts for our best prospects.

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  13. Thanks nothzax.

    To be able to sign 2 is a great improvement. The GAs also usually pay a decent salary. IMO this is the way forward for MLS untill the big TV money kicks in (10 or so years).

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  14. @Mario — I believe the league did alter those rules earlier, so that teams could sign two (!!) Academy players before getting a time-out. As Goff explained it, the latest rule change allows teams to sign and use Academy players outside of the MLS in-season roster limits. So long as they are not made available for MLS games, they do not have to be added to the 24-man MLS roster — but, they may still be signed be the teams and used in non-league competitions.

    I suspect this change was a response to the moves abroad by Renken, Gyau, Lletget and Gil. More immediately, if I may speculate, I suspect the change probably came from DC United itself. They’d been toying with signing Hamid, but with the fixture congestion, injuries to Barklage, Khumalo and other assorted nagging injuries, United had to sign more experienced position players, including Shipilane and Habarugira. They’d been on the fence watching Hamid and another young goalkeeping prospect (Samir Badr) flirt with European clubs. Without a reserve system, there was no realistic possibility of bringing in either goalie into the fold.

    This change provides an admittedly imperfect avenue for teams to retain top Academy talent, even as they wait for these young players to develop into first-team ready players. It seems plausible that the impetus for this change came from the United front office. It makes sense — at least until the league reinstitutes a reserve system.

    @Patrick — Hamid is already in the USA youth system. However, there are a couple of young ‘keepers that are ranked ahead of him — Brian Perk, Josh Lambo, along with Sean Johnson and Zac MacMath…and Earl Edwards coming up in U17 ranks.

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  15. Mario: as I understand it, the current rule is that MLS teams can sign two Academy players to GenAd deals this year, and not have them count against the 24 man roster until 2010. (which means they can train with the team and are eligible for all non-MLS matches such as friendlies, the Open Cup, CCL and Superliga) they count against the 24 starting in 2010. I don’t know if that rule is continued for next season or not. because there are roster limitations on the number of GenAd players one team can have.

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  16. “@Patrick
    Is he American? Possible USMNT prospect in the future?”

    This is Abdul “Bill” Hamid, who has already dressed for the U.S. Under-20 National team.

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  17. What exactly is the new roster rule and regulation? DC United can sign anyone they want and not have them count against the roster or the cap?

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  18. guys, Hamid isn’t going to play this year, he’s 18, for the love of Pele. you simply don’t see 18 year old keepers playing anywhere, anywhere, and there’s a good reason for it. Keepers take time to develop, years even. I wouldn’t expect to see Hamid in anything but injury mop-up duty until 2011, frankly. how many world class keepers are there under the age of 25, anywhere? Petr Cech was a prodigy hitting Stamford Bridge at 22. and even he wasn’t starting in the Czech Republic until 19. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but from what I’ve read the team and apparently Hamid know this is a multi-year progression. look at the apparently competition to sign him: Celtic. they already have four goalkeepers on their senior roster with another one out on loan, and two more in the U-19 pipeline. so even they didn’t expect him to play for years. (of course, a club like that has the resources to let a player develop for seasons, MLS clubs don’t)

    that said, 6’3″ 235 pound people with the reflexes to be top flight keepers don’t grow on trees.

    (SBI-Iker Casillas made a Champions League start at 16, was starting regularly for Real Madrid at 18 and won the Champions League final just days after his 19th birthday. Okay, so he IS the best goalkeeper in the world, but it does show that it isn’t IMPOSSIBLE for a goalkeeper to get a look and do well as a pro at that age. Tim Howard got his first start for New York at 19. That’s what you would like to see for Hamid, a chance to play here and there if he’s mature enough. I agree with everything you said Northzax, but I also don’t think it hurts for people to dream about a potential new prodigy coming through the ranks. As for world-class keepers younger than 25, here are some:

    Igor Akinfeev (23, starting for CSKA Moscow since he was 17)

    Manuel Neuer (23, starting for Schalke 04)

    Rene Adler (23, starting for Bayer Leverkusen)

    Oscar Ustari (23, starting for Getafe)

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  19. Can anyone elaborate on the rule changes? Does this mean DC cannot sign another Academy player for a year or two or did they change that ridiculous rule?

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  20. its hard to say that he should make his debut in the CCL or in the middle of playoff race, but why not? ship wicks back to the USL and lets see what Hamid can do.

    don’t you wish tho that a 6’3” 235 lb played CB or an outfield position?

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  21. Glad to see an academy signing. Now hopefully this becomes regular in MLS. Can he not play in the league because its past a deadline?

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  22. I’ve never liked Wicks between the sticks, and after the last two games UTD has played and had his antics affect games, that’s this fan’s last straw. The past few years the entire keeper situation has been sketchy at best for this franchise. Even Crayton, while he showed up some of the games, was overpriced, and Wicks was let go by LA who also had a horrible keeper situation, when they did that for a reason. Really glad not only because of the league’s academies starting to look legit, but also because I’d love to turn on a UTD game and get half decent keeper play along with ne who keeps his mouth shut. The team may have had one of those in some games, but not both for years.

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