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MLS Ticker: MLS fines Revs’ Jones; TFC deny Defoe sale; and more

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By DAN KARELL

Jermaine Jones received some unexpected news when he arrived at New England Revolution team training Wednesday morning.

The U.S. Men’s National Team midfielder was fined an undisclosed amount by the MLS Disciplinary Committee for “simulation” in the 70th minute of the Revs 4-2 victory over the Columbus Crew on Saturday. The incident occurred on a play that ended up with Lee Nguyen scoring his team’s third goal of the match.

On the play, Jones sprinted downfield slightly behind the Crew’s Waylon Francis. Francis appeared to try to elbow Jones on multiple occasions before finally making contact as Nguyen continued to dribble forward. Jones went down under apparent contact and remained down. After the goal was scored referee Drew Fischer showed Francis a yellow card.

The news likely comes as a big relief to the Crew, who were uncertain whether Francis would be available for the second leg of the Eastern Conference semifinals on Sunday at Gillette Stadium.

Here are some more notes from around MLS:

TFC DENY RUMORS THAT DEFOE IS ON HIS WAY OUT

Jermain Defoe is still a Toronto FC player for now, says the club.

Earlier this week, a pair of reports in England stated that a deal has already been reached for the 32-year-old forward to join Queens Park Rangers on a permanent transfer. In response, TFC have flat out denied the reports, and said that there have been no offers and that “no discussions have taken place.”

“Jermain Defoe is under contract with Toronto FC for three more years and remains an important part of the club’s plans. He proved this season, when healthy, that he is one of, if not the best player in MLS,” a TFC spokesperson told the Toronto Sun.

“Nothing has changed from last week. As stated, we don’t want players who don’t want to be here but we haven’t heard that from Jermain. No discussions have taken place regarding Jermain and there have been no offers.”

Defoe played in just three of his club’s final 11 games of the season as he recovered from a groin injury, watching the club collapse from a comfortable position in the standings to miss the playoffs for the eighth consecutive year. In 19 games in his first, and possibly only, MLS season, Defoe scored 11 goals and added two assists.

One of the reports out of the London Evening Standard stated that Defoe had signed a three-year contract earning $148,000 per week.

NYCFC TO TAKE PART IN CAROLINA CHALLENGE CUP

New York City FC are keeping busy this fall, finalizing both their squad for next season and their preseason schedule.

The MLS expansion club announced unexpectedly on Wednesday afternoon that they will be taking part in the 12th annual Carolina Challenge Cup in Charleston, South Carolina, next February. Also joining NYC FC will be the Houston Dynamo, Orlando City, and Charleston Battery.

“It will be an exciting challenge for us to take part in the Cup, which is MLS-sanctioned for the first time this year,” Kreis told nycfc.com. “It’s a competition I have experience of competing in, so I know how well organized and how competitive it is.

“We’ve been working really hard behind the scenes to ensure that our preseason program gets us in the best shape to be competitive from the first minute of our opening regular season match. I believe that it will prove to be an important week in our preparations for our first season.”

The six game tournament will take place from Feb. 21-28.

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What do you think of these developments? Surprised to see Jones handed a fine? Did you expect Francis to be suspended? What do you think of Defoe’s saga?

Share your thoughts below.

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  1. I think getting fined after being hit by a elbow is crap.
    Personally, when some one throws elbows are try to take them on the head.

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  2. This just out of Toronto; Jozy Altidore’s agent don Lamb is claiming that the BPL’s Sunderland and Queens Park Rangers along with MLS’s Toronto have made a three way trade with Altidore going to TFC, Defoe going to QPR and a player to be named later going from QPR to Sunderland.

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    • C’mon now! I don’t doubt this is the scenario that could eventually happen but a “trade”??? That doesn’t happen across the pond especially with “a player to be named later”.

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    • Just one year ago, Defoe was coming to Major League Soccer while Jozy had just been signed for a ton of money to be a starter for a Premier League club.

      Defoe being on his way to play for Harry again and Jozy being in the doghouse at Sunderland are as big of a deal as you do. Jozy will get his chance to show his quality this season, and the coach has been smart about taking all of the focus off of him and relieving some pressure.

      I would say that Defoe and Jozy are very comparable players in terms of what type of role they play for a team in the PL. Both have had their ups and downs. Both have shown a lot of ability while also having periods of lacking confidence.

      One is 24. One is 32. So, I would take Jozy.

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      • Well you would say that, you’re his agent. Now if you ask me, I’d say I’m way more betterer. Pick me, pick me!

      • Your condescending attitude and complete mockery of me do not go unnoticed 🙂 Cheers for exposing me as a worthless internet poster who really has no influence in this or just about any other matter that I waste my time commenting on…

      • Seriously? Pretty sure you have as much influence as I do, no offense intended. I’ll be over here shutting up

      • “I would say that Defoe and Jozy are very comparable players in terms of what type of role they play for a team in the PL”

        Yeah, you would say that but very others would. There are no stats to support your statement.

        Defoe has been a prolific, consistent scorer for every team he has played for in the BPL and for England.
        Jozy has only been consistently productive for the US and AZ .
        Yes Defoe is much older but assuming he stays in shape he would have to drop off dramatically to begin to approach Jozy’s abysmal lack of productivity. Look up their stats and you’ll see there is no reasonable comparison. So if you need someone for next year, Defoe is your guy.
        At the EPL level managers get fired waiting around for guys like Jozy to finally come good.

      • Stats don’t offer much of a comparison, and people use them way too often to make arguments. A player is a player. Numbers are numbers. To judge a player, I am going to look at the player, not numbers.

        Jozy can offer just as much as Defoe can to a EPL team. Here is a very likely scenario: Defoe goes to QPR, plays a decent role on the team, and they barely avoid relegation. Fletcher or someone else gets hurt at Sunderland giving Jozy is chance to play this season, he plays a decent role on the team for the better part of the season, and they avoid relegation.

        Now, tell me how Defoe is so much more valuable than Jozy is. Much less, fast forward three years when Jozy is in his prime and Defoe is retiring…

      • don Lamb

        “Stats don’t offer much of a comparison, and people use them way too often to make arguments. A player is a player. Numbers are numbers. To judge a player, I am going to look at the player, not numbers. “

        In that case you could make an argument that Taylor Twellman is a better all around player than Messi. Stronger, better in the air, bigger, better looking in a tight shirt.

        “Jozy can offer just as much as Defoe can to a EPL team. Here is a very likely scenario: Defoe goes to QPR, plays a decent role on the team, and they barely avoid relegation. Fletcher or someone else gets hurt at Sunderland giving Jozy is chance to play this season, he plays a decent role on the team for the better part of the season, and they avoid relegation.…Now, tell me how Defoe is so much more valuable than Jozy is. Much less, fast forward three years when Jozy is in his prime and Defoe is retiring…”

        You are laboring under the delusion that an EPL manager who would be choosing between Jozy and Defoe would have three years. Such a manager would, at most, have the half season remaining to save themselves. This is the EP; if Manchester United is still struggling like this next year Van Gaal is getting axed, no question. Three years? I like Jozy but it’s not like his upside is CR7 or Gareth Bale level. Jozy is radioactive right now. Any manager in the EPL, who would take Jozy over Defoe will do so because he can afford a very big gamble and there are very , very few who fit that bill. Maybe SAF in his prime.

        Defoe has proven to be a consistent reliable scorer in the EPL. Not everyone can do that.

        Jozy has proved nothing in the EPL. He is potentially a fine striker for someone but, assuming the money is comparable and both are healthy, fit and willing, 9 out of 10 EPL managers are going to take Defoe over Jozy because they will have to worry about the next few months above all else.

        In fact, I would say that if you took that same EPL manager and presented him with the choice of Jozy or Clint, 9 out of 10 if not 10 out of 10 will take Clint over Jozy.

        When you are in trouble in the EPL you take the guy who is a proven productive EPL goal scorer not someone who MIGHT be a proven productive EPL goal scorer.

      • If Defoe was really such a hot commodity, do you think he would have come to play in Toronto? Jozy was bought for a lot of money by an EPL club just last year. In the last three years, he has scored bags of goals and shown great class. Has he looked a little lost at times at Sunderland? Very much so, but judging him on ONE bad year for a team in coaching turmoil is foolish. I could easily argue that he showed (again) that he can play in the premier league last year.

        And as far as this season — his year has not even started yet. He is coming off a World Cup where he got hurt. Did you expect him to come out of the gates scoring for a team he probably wasn’t even much of a part of in preseason?

        The point about their ages is not about how much they have left in the tank — it’s about what they are capable of. We know what Defoe is capable of. We do not yet know what Jozy is capable of. He has a few years before his story will be written, so why are you so keen on calling him a bum?

      • Mr.lamb

        The EPL is a deadly serious business not a theoretical exercise.

        Most of the time, you get paid on production not potential.

        Results matter, numbers matter, people are fired based on productivity which is often measured in numbers, such as goals scored over time.

        I never said Defoe was a hot commodity. You chose to compare Defoe with Jozy;

        Both of these players are definitely un-hot.

        I am not calling Jozy a bum. He’s not a bum but he also is not a proven EPL scorer, not yet anyway. And chances that anyone other than maybe Poyet, will give him the chance to prove himself in the EPL seem slim. Frankly, he’s already gotten more chances to prove himself than a lot of other players might have gotten.

        Defoe is a proven EPL scorer.

        Put Defoe right now on Sunderland and assuming he is willing, fit and healthy he is far more likely to score sooner and more frequently than Jozy, Fletcher or Wickham.

        I am merely responding to your claim that Jozy in the context of the EPL would be a better acquisition than Defoe. You said:
        “I would say that Defoe and Jozy are very comparable players in terms of what type of role they play for a team in the PL. Both have had their ups and downs. Both have shown a lot of ability while also having periods of lacking confidence. One is 24. One is 32. So, I would take Jozy”

        After a few years, your theoretical contention that Jozy will probably prove to have been a better long term investment than Defoe will probably be true.

        But that is barely relevant to most EPL managers currently looking for a goal scoring forward. Long term means next to nothing to most of these guys.

        Jozy currently has the label of “project “ on him. The managers, including Poyet, who can afford to have “projects” around in the EPL for very long are few and far between. Most of them are fired before their “projects” come good.

        The name of the game in the EPL is produce right now,

        Going forward, I hope Jozy does well in the EPL but the odds are against that happening.

      • Spare me the all the talk about the cutthroat nature of the EPL. Obviously it’s a results driven business. The thought that Jozy is incapable of producing those results, but Defoe is a lock to score goals is something that I strongly disagree with.

        You really cannot say for certain that in the same circumstances Defore will score more goals that Jozy. Jozy has not even gotten his chance this year and you have already written him off. He has shown that he can play in the league (not with stats), and he will get his chance soon. I hope he takes his chances. He has had time to settle there now. He has had all of the pressure taken off of him. He is still a big investment that Sunderland has taken on. He might prove me otherwise, but his talent suggests that he is capable of playing in the EPL and scoring goals. For some reason that is impossible for you to see — I see it differently.

      • Mr. lamb,

        Now you are being willfully obtuse.

        “ He might prove me otherwise, but his talent suggests that he is capable of playing in the EPL and scoring goals. For some reason that is impossible for you to see — I see it differently.”

        What would Jozy do without you to support him against mean people like me? You and Jozy against the world huh?

        Being a success in the EPL is about more than just skill and talent. There are a lot of players who have the necessary skill and the talent who also do not make it in the EPL for any number of reasons. No one. least of all me, is suggesting that Jozy does not have the talent to, one day, be a successful forward in the EPL, by whatever standard.

        However, guys like Defoe and Dempsey have proven that they can take what they have and be successful with it in the EPL. while so far, Jozy has not, and his chances to prove his worth in that arena get slimmer and slimmer and the excuses wear thinner and thinner, the longer it goes without Jozy having that breakout run he so desperately needs.

        That should be clear to anyone.

      • You do not question his talent? Then what are you questioning? His drive? His toughness? His intelligence?

        Those are things that I am not willing to question from my perspective (being as limited as it is). You seem so certain that there is some major flaw in his game that is preventing him from being a good player in the EPL. I am taking the stance that he is indeed a good player in the EPL and his fortunes will turn around when given the chance (it has not been given to him yet this season for obvious reasons). Furthermore, I believe he is able to produce similarly to how Defoe has in the past (or at least how Defoe would given a similar situation). Why? Because they similar in terms of ability levels, or talent. You say you don’t doubt that, but then you write off the possibility because of stats. If that’s your argument, fine, but you are not making much sense in trying to explain it all — I see the game differently because I would rather see a player and then judge what they are capable of instead of looking at a piece of paper or computer screen and using that to form my opinion.

        By your argument, it is impossible to project success from any player unless they have already proven themselves at that level.

        It makes me wonder how you came to have so much faith in Green if you are so hung up on stats… I guess you just jump to conclusions and then feel that you must defend them to the death.

      • Mr. Lamb

        “You do not question his talent? Then what are you questioning? His drive? His toughness? His intelligence? Those are things that I am not willing to question from my perspective (being as limited as it is). You seem so certain that there is some major flaw in his game that is preventing him from being a good player in the EPL. ”

        I am certain that Jozy is not producing what he very probably needs to stay in the EPL. I don’t know why he is not producing. If I did I would tell him thus ending the long national nightmare of the SBI peanut gallery.

        You do not need a major flaw to fail. In most sports, the margins that separate players who succeed from players who do not are often very fine and sometimes intangible.

        “I am taking the stance that he is indeed a good player in the EPL and his fortunes will turn around when given the chance (it has not been given to him yet this season for obvious reasons). Furthermore, I believe he is able to produce similarly to how Defoe has in the past (or at least how Defoe would given a similar situation). Why? Because they similar in terms of ability levels, or talent. You say you don’t doubt that, but then you write off the possibility because of stats.”

        You are putting words in my mouth. I did not and am not writing off Jozy. I am pointing out the very obvious likelihood that his chances of staying in the EPL are getting slimmer and slimmer as his unproductive spell goes on and that he is in a tough spot.

        ” If that’s your argument, fine, but you are not making much sense in trying to explain it all — I see the game differently because I would rather see a player and then judge what they are capable of instead of looking at a piece of paper or computer screen and using that to form my opinion.”

        If you saw things the way I did then I would not have to explain my point of view would I? Of course you do not see things as I do. Feel free this is America.

        As for this piece of paper business, I’ve seen Jozy play live a number of times. Have you seen Jozy play in person for Sunderland? What makes you think I haven’t?

        “By your argument, it is impossible to project success from any player unless they have already proven themselves at that level.”

        You can predict anything you want, no one will stop you from doing that. Being accurate in your prediction, is however, something no one can guarantee.

        Unfortunately for Jozy, he has had time to make his case at this level and so far it hasn’t gone as he would have liked. Regardless of what you or I say, he will not be given unlimited time to make his case.

        “It makes me wonder how you came to have so much faith in Green if you are so hung up on stats… I guess you just jump to conclusions and then feel that you must defend them to the death.”

        How does Green get into this conversation? I have written about Jozy, Defoe and Clint, Messi and Twellman, no one else. It is ironic that you dismiss the importance of statistics in evaluating players and then talk about others jumping to conclusions. By the way, you have no idea how much faith I do or do not have in Green.

      • You have changed your opinion from “Jozy can’t hold Defoe’s jock” to “Jozy has a slimmer and slimmer chance of staying in the EPL the longer he sits on the bench.”

        As for Julian Green, you declared very passionately that he was going to be the best striker in the US pool within a year — that was about six months ago… One of the reasons he comes into the conversation is because that would obviously put him ahead of Jozy. The other reason is to point out your questionable logic.

      • Mr.Lamb

        “You have changed your opinion from “Jozy can’t hold Defoe’s jock” to “Jozy has a slimmer and slimmer chance of staying in the EPL the longer he sits on the bench.”

        First of all, those two quotes, if accurately quoted, would not represent a change of opinion.

        Second of all the quotes you attributed to me are made up. I never wrote anything about Jozy sitting on the bench or holding a jock.

        You are putting words in my mouth again. I never said Jozy couldn’t hold Defoe’s jock. I said Defoe has proven to be successful in the EPL, while Jozy has not yet done so. One has nothing to do with the other.

        “As for Julian Green, you declared very passionately that he was going to be the best striker in the US pool within a year — that was about six months ago… One of the reasons he comes into the conversation is because that would obviously put him ahead of Jozy. The other reason is to point out your questionable logic.”

        How is that questionable? Green is arguably the best striker in the pool. Who is better in the US pool right now? Which striker scored a meaningful goal in the World Cup? Jozy? Boyd? EJ? AJ? Wondo? Zardes? Wood? Wooten? None of those guys has scored a meaningful goal or any goal in the World Cup.

      • For starters, we hardly know anything about Green and even settling his position might be premature at this point. Secondly, using your logic based on track record, if Defoe is miles ahead of Jozy, then isn’t Jozy miles ahead of Green?

        Props on using an absolutely meaningless stat in propping him up as the best though. That fallacy was another one of my original points.

      • Mr. Lamb

        “For starters, we hardly know anything about Green and even settling his position might be premature at this point. “

        You are the one who thinks stats, another word for history, are not useful in evaluating a player. So it should not bother you that Green does not have much of a history. What do you need to know about Green? He came up playing centrally did well and then was moved out to the wing. He is two footed and is comfortable in either spot.

        “Secondly, using your logic based on record, if Defoe is miles ahead of Jozy, then isn’t Jozy miles ahead of Green?”

        No. You compared Defoe to Jozy and stated a preference for Jozy over Defoe.

        Green and Jozy are teammates. My evaluation of the two is about how they would work together.

        Jozy is very skilled but as a goal scorer was always inferior to LD and Clint. Ultimately, I suspect Jozy will have the same relationship with Green.

        “Props on using an absolutely meaningless stat in propping him up as the best though. That fallacy was another one of my original points.””

        Green scored a meaningful goal in a World Cup game when it was still up for grabs. The goal gave the US a chance to tie up the game and take it to penalties. There is absolutely nothing meaningless about that.

        It tells me he has at least one performance where he came through with a goal in the clutch under the greatest pressure a USMNT player is likely face, the World Cup.

        Does that guarantee he will always come through?

        No, but it does not hurt. Boyd, Wondo, AJ, Wood, Wooten, Zardes have never done anything remotely like that for the USMNT. Does that mean they never will?

        No but the advantage of a guy like Green is that you know he at least has some idea of what he will be facing and is therefore maybe just a little bit better prepared.

        Jozy has his goal against Spain in the Confederations Cup and EJ has had a number of goals in the qualifiers but I would rate those goals below Green’s.

  3. Francis got the deserved yellow. Jones got fined for grabbing his face to try to fool the ref into giving a red. I think the fine is fair. He’s not going to miss any time.

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    • An intentional elbow to the face is grounds for an automatic red card. End of story. Francis was fortunate at the time that he didn’t get caught. The MLS DC messed this up bad. As for Jones, his embellishment was wrong by the laws of the game, but if another player was trying to injure me REPEATEDLY, you better believe id do whatever I cud to get him the ref to eject him.

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  4. It’s pretty absurd that Jones is who ends up being disciplined on this play. Maybe there’s a better angle, but from what I see, he slightly embellished a repeated and flagrant elbow.

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  5. It’s B.S. that Jones was fined and Francis avoided punishment. It was pretty damn clear Francis tried, multiple times, to make contact with Jones using his elbow. Francis did eventually make contact to the lower neck / chest area. No, he did not hit Jones in face and yes, Jones did cover his face but it still does not negate the contact from Francis. He should have been sent off. Francis should be the one fined and probably suspended.

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  6. Jones’ fine is ridiculous. There was contact. He went down. Was it a dive? Sure/maybe. But simulation and a fine should ONLY be used when there is no contact what soever.

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    • Ya, it is. I don’t think its right to call it a dive. “embellishment” would be fine but honestly what is he supposed to do. Not react to a guy failing to hit him? Twice?

      If the other guy doesn’t get a ban, this fine is madness.

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      • What do you mean? The ref gave Francis a yellow after the play ended, this is the Disciplinary Committee that is fining Jones.

      • Actually, the ref made the right call by giving Francis a yellow card. The MLS disciplinary committee, on the other hand, is a joke.

    • that fine is crap. The guy that hit him was carded and he should have been fined. The moral is, dont get in the way of my fist or you will be fined

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