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Berti Vogts appointed Technical Advisor for USMNT

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By RYAN TOLMICH

In the buildup to last summer’s World Cup, Berti Vogts served his compatriot Jurgen Klinsmann as a special advisor to the U.S. Men’s National Team. On Thursday, the 1974 World Cup winner’s job was made a bit more permanent.

U.S. Soccer announced Thursday that Vogts has been appointed Technical Advisor to the U.S. Men’s National Team. In his new role, Vogts will oversee the development of players in Europe while also focusing on development initiatives and education.

“We had a fantastic experience with Berti during the 2014 FIFA World Cup,” said Klinsmann. “His knowledge and experience is a tremendous asset for us. With Andi Herzog having a big focus on qualifying the U-23 team for the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Berti will make an even more important contribution.”

Prior to his role with U.S. Soccer,  Vogts most recently managed against the USMNT while in charge of Azerbaijan. Vogts is best known for his time as manager of Germany, which included Klinsmann, having claimed Euro 96 under his watch.

Vogts was brought in as a special advisor to the USMNT in the lead up to last summer’s World Cup, but said he would be supporting his native Germany when the two matched up in the group stages.

What do you think of Vogts’ appointment? How will his hire affect the USMNT?

Share your thoughts below.

 

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  1. Somebody put a GIF together of Berti and die Klinsy smirking on the bench in the second half of the Denmark game, freezing their buts off with those beanies on. Looked like they wanted to say “I’m a celebrity, get me out of here.”

    Is Vogts going to actually give the team some direction of how to move off the ball? Because all I see is a bunch of confused players standing around, but I don’t blame them because Klinsy wants to challenge them by playing them out of position.

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  2. As technical adviser, can he remind the players of the simple things: Like that first touch on the ball without giving it away with no opponent within your immediate area (and not let the ball bounce 5 plus feet away from you)?

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    • Backup Quarterback Syndrome.

      There’s always a name, under every manager, that fans believe will somehow make a difference, but isn’t given the chance (or is given chances and never proves value: see Kljestan).

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    • Considering how many players JK has used, it’s weird he’s only called up Lichaj once (could be a personal thing since we’ve seen JK can be petty and vindictive) but I also don’t think Lichaj is better than the guys who are playing.

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      • That was my attempt at a joke — that Klinsmann picked Vogts over Lichaj for technical advisor. Ah, well.

  3. Klinsmanns’ biggest problem is not have a true play maker.

    Torres, Morales, Williams, Stanko, Canouse, Edu, Trapp, Beckerman, Jones, Kljestan and Bradley if not holding mids, are all at least used to starting in deeper position in the center of the field.

    Hopefully Joel Sonora or Gideon Zelelam continue to develop and stay injury free because those or some of the best prospects we have for true playmakers

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    • We actually have playmakers – or players who can make plays, like Bradley. What we don’t have, and hardly ever did, are players who can consistently hold the ball in tight spaces and relieve pressure. A Tab Ramos or Claudio Reyna type would be nice right now.

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      • Bradley is as true a No. 8 as we’ve ever had.

        But,….he is not even close to being a mediocre No. 10.

        We’ve never really had a No. 10. Reyna came the closest.

      • True and I also don’t think having a No. 10 is essential. We’ve seen that guys can be playmakers from different parts of the field. Pirlo does it from an even deeper position than Bradley and I’d say he’s been fairly effective.

  4. The US was a fairly inexperienced team during the 2014 WC. In particular in the Defense where we were in total flux with limited experience from the start of the Hex on. Heading into this cycle there is a nice core group of players to build around (Besler, Gonzalez, Brooks, Garza, Chandler, Yedlin, & Fabian) along with some decent fringe players & prospects (Shea, Alvarado, Orozco, Birnbaum, Hedges, EPB, CCV, Payne) that could rise to be impact players.
    2014 CM was the strength but was still very inexperienced in many ways. JK needs to replace Jones & Beckerman (2 of the better performers in 2014), so needs to try and test a number of players. Bradley will be the cornerstone, but who will ultimatly work best with him is still a long ways from being determined (Diskerud, Morales, Williams, Trapp, Kitchen, Gil, Stanko, Canouse, Zelelam, Torres, Edu)
    Winger (Wide Forward & Midfield) are the spots that need the most assistance/development. Zusi & Bedoya are the incumbents but are not good enough IMO. Fabian can be used, but then you lose something from the back line. Again some solid options being developed (Green, Gyau,Shea & possibly Gatt) but we need more and they need experinece.
    The Striker position may be one of the strengths of the upcoming cycle. Dempsey, Jozy, & Johannsson, as the core with Boyd, Rubin, Agudelo, & Zardes fringe/players to watch . Not to mention some real talent at the U-20 & 23 ages that need experience. However, strikers are often one of the few spots where you can take a risk with inexperience.
    Point being there are options within the player pool for this cycle the likes of which we’ve not had before. And most important I believe that the dropoff between the starting 11 and their backups will be significantly less than in the past (No more Bornsteins).

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    • Klinsmann sees the big picture and looks at things in terms of 4 year cycles. Most posters here can’t look further than the last game and the next game. There will always be a disconnect between these types of outlooks and those who focus only on the here and now are going to be dissatisfied because they don’t recognize that this is a process and some things need time to develop and can’t be hurried if you want to do it right and build a lasting and solid foundation.

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    • Lost… the core group is Guzan, Brooks, Besler, Cameron, Fabian, Bradley, Altidore. The older piece guys are (dempsey, Howard, maybe Jones) and then there is the unknown (zardes, Johansson, gyau, green, mix, rubin, zelalem, gil, morales)… and probably little kids who are 15 now and we don’t even know about.

      If those unknowns fail, then the fall-backs are guys like Garza, and chandler, and zusi and Bedoya, williams, and torres, and trapp, kitchen, etc.). Those guys are known quantities and their ceiling is not high enough.

      Lets lose some games figuring out how good the unknowns are.

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      • Turkmenbashy –
        A coach/manager needs to look at Who can help them win Now (today), who can help them win short term (over the next year or 2), and who can help them win in the future (2-4 years).
        The core of the 2018 Team (barring injury) are Guzan, Brooks, Chandler, Yedlin, Bradley, Fabian, Jozy & Johannsson.
        Howard, Jones, Dempsey, & Cameron will begin to have less involvement after the 2016 Copa Tournament. That’s not to say they’ll not have a chance to be there in 2018, Just that it will be likely in a reduced roll if they are (off the bench).
        Pool players now are Yedlin, Bedoya, Zusi, Besler, Gonzales, Rimando, Shea, Garza, Zardes, Williams, Morales, Agudelo, Gyau Corona & Mix. These guys will get call-ups so long as they’re playing with their clubs or are overtaken by younger guys coming up behind them.
        Prospects towards 2018 (Likely Core 2022) these are the guys who are trying to break into the rotation for the Sr. Team and will push the pool players to be better. Rubin, Green, Trapp, Kitchen, Canouse, Stanko, O’Neill, Packwood, Zelalem, Gil, EPB, & CCV.

  5. So many people, but not so many coaches, think that some approaches to soccer are more worthy than others, more beautiful and so on. Allegedly Jurgen was hired to make US soccer more beautiful. There are only two problems. First, for any given group of players, the most “beautiful” system is the one that maximizes their chances of winning. It might be route one; it might be short passes from the back. In fact, only a handful of national teams play “beautiful” soccer and only some of them win consistently. Second, the US team is not particularly adept offensively. It is probably more like Greece than Germany. Trying to mimic the big kids is not likely to end well. Bradley and Arena understood this — stay compact on defense, work hard and look for chances to counterattack. Maybe Berti will let Jurgen in on the secret.

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    • You must think Klinsmann cannot see the obvious and knows nothing about coaching. He would not take the job unless he had full control of the program, including the youth teams and had more than one cycle. He realized, as you apparently don’t, that change is necessary to move to the next level but change must come over time with a new generation of players. It seems so obvious to me I don’t understand why more people cannot see this. The US has millions of kids playing soccer. The sport is poised to really break out as MLS is growing in popularity and more and more fans are coming to the game of soccer. The things that have held us back are inadequate youth development, a lack of infrastructure (not just physical facilities, but qualified coaches) and a non-soccer culture that most other countries have. There is great potential here, as Klinsmann recognizes, but to tap it you need to change the culture and create and mold new foundations from the bottom up. These things don’t happen over night.

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      • To have any success in the 2018 World Cup, the U.S. needs to adopt an approach that suits its current players. Based on the team’s history, that approach is likely to be more like Greece than Germany. I really do doubt that Jurgen understands this.
        In the long run, the fate of the U.S. national team will rest on soccer’s ability to attract the best American athletes and that will depend on the financial rewards and opportunities to play that are available to young American players. Given progress to date, I would guess that competing with the best national teams is several generations away if it ever happens.

      • define “any success”. we’ve has SOME success, of course, and there’s no reason to believe appearances in the knockout rounds in the future won’t be modestly attainable. throwing out the “several generations” argument dismisses everything we’ve ever achieved in international soccer- that being in one generation since qualifying for the ’90 WC. i’m not at all sure klinsi and staff will be the ingredient needed to take us to a generally higher level, but it won’t be for lack of ambition or vision.

      • Any success = advancing beyond the group stage. Frankly I think almost any competent coach would conclude that the Bradley/Arena tactics were the most appropriate. Jurgen is just blowing smoke when he talks about a different style. And there’s no shame in those tactics. Neither Italy nor England play beautiful soccer at the national level.
        Sure, the U.S. is better than it used to be, largely because it created opportunities for American players to play professionally. If young American athletes could see evidence that soccer could offer the same rewards as football or basketball, the US might move up higher in world soccer but I am not holding my breath. In any case, the character of the national team coach matters very little in these long term developments, despite what Jurgen says.

      • Ian- points taken, but i’d argue that at some point, a federation, a coach, and fans have to start asking MORE, expecting more, and reaching higher- some one or some thing has to set the bar higher. goals are pretty basic concepts in the world of achievment

    • Mr. Woodville, you sir are a pessimist and a cad, willing to sell your sould to the highest bidder. Winning is the goal, but Greece’s system is a torrid, awful thing. I will agree that there is art in things that are painful to watch, like that movie the human centipede… but I would rather not win the world cup because the US lost 7-1 to the winner like Brazil did… than to win the thing playing catenaccio.

      Let us find out the style that makes us American. Let us discover what mix of systems works for us… then lets crush the world with it.

      (German organization, Italian deep lying metronomic precision passing, Argentinian individual insane brilliance, Spanish monotonous, rythmic, hyperactive passing and team pressing, Brazillian creativity… lets find that, so we can build on it and become a world power. Let’s not abandon all hope and just be content to nick wins away from teams that have found their style)

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      • if you’re not part of a solution (driving to improve and get better results), then you’re really the problem.

      • Winning more international games would be improvement; playing allegedly beautiful soccer but losing would not. There is very little evidence that playing any one style but disregarding the type of players available increases your chances of winning. In the last World Cup, the Italians played the style they did because they thought it gave them the best chance of winning. They felt no embarrassment that it was not the same style the Spanish were playing. And after all beautiful soccer didn’t do Spain all that much good.

      • Ian Woodville,

        You are assuming that the formula for success that the Arena/ BB axis hit on was going to continue to be successful.

        Donovan was basically the beginning and the end of the offense under that system and he was not going to play forever. There were no replacements for him then and there still aren’t any. I can’t think of an important game the USMNT under BB or Arena got a result in w/o LD being there.

        Therefore trying to diversify the team’s attacking arsenal only made sense. It makes more sense than trying to find a replacement for LD.

        The biggest success of the 2014 was proving that the USMNT could get out of their World Cup group without him.

      • What I wrote was that the coach needs to adjust the style to fit the players available and that based on the current crop of US players that style would be more like Greece than Germany. That does not mean copying Bradley’s methods in every detail, but Bradley understood the basic principle involved. If you take what Jurgen says seriously (and you do that at your own risk) it would seem that he does not. It appears that he believes that he can get the current players to play something like beautiful soccer. So far there is little evidence to support that hope.

      • Ian Woodville,

        You can’t warn others not to take JK too seriously if you don’t actually listen to what he says in the first place.

        In the beginning of his tenure JK said he would try to move the USMNT towards a different style of play but, and he was very clear about this, when the WC qualifiers and the WC itself were to be contested, he was going to do whatever it took to win.

        If that meant ten men behind the ball and trying to break someone’s ankles he wasn’t apologizing for it. And from what I’ve seen, that is how it turned out. JK has never been fussy over how he wins.

        Now that the WC is over and the USMNT is in spring training mode, JK is doing what he said he would do shortly after they got back from Brazil i.e. give the veterans, the known quantities time off and see what the new guys have.

        And again, to the extent that it makes sense ( he’s not going to send out a team composed entirely of first time caps out there), he’s been doing that. Apparently, he’s giving the new guys a chance to make their case.

        That is what these games are for. If JK already knew what his best 11 were and he could be sure they would be available as a unit for the next 3-4 months then sure it makes sense to play them together now and work on a style or tactics but that is not the case right now. So all you can do is sort out players at this point.

  6. Perhaps Vogts will improve the US tactical approach (and probably tell JK to pick a back 4 then try only one new starter per game, Four backs who had not played together (perhaps Brooks and Chandler or Brooks and Orazco had a game or two together, but certainly not an ongoing partnership).

    Good defense requires organization and a good understanding of what your teammate should, will and can do. That was absolutely missing from the US back four in the last game and it was further hampered by the lack of an understanding between the midfield and backs. It is possible to play good organized defense with 5 or 6 players + K. The US had fewer than 4 players defending as a group at any time, that is not enough and Denmark was unlucky not to score much more. (Partly because the Danes were playing pretty defensively and not throwing many players forward until the end.)

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    • Living in a country where soccer is the 5th (a best) most popular sport + best athletes playing football/basktball + decent coaching = mediocre

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      • Such a tired argument. We usually have better athletes then our opposition, that’s not our problem, our problem is how we develop our young players, who show at the youth levels to be quite excellent with athleticism and technical ability. Something happens as our players mature to seniors.

      • Soccer is third or fourth, not fifth. And it’s moving up all the time. The NHL might be more popular than MLS but soccer is way more popular than hockey.

        It’s true that the more people that play soccer, the better chance we have of developing great talents. But our population is big enough that we should be able to compete without soccer being the #1 sport in the US.

      • agree on most points, but i’d add that sheer popularity has it limits and problems, at least in the short term- who’s coaching all these kids? what is the system for identifying varieties of talent? what are the practical options for talented 15+ year olds to develop? this is where we fall far short, imo.

      • Until the coaching in this country improves at all levels it will be difficult to develop truly impressive/competitive players at the international level.
        When I played growing up the coaches I had were, for the most part (select/travel High school), parents of players (unpaid) who had never played the sport. It wasn’t until I played at the regional level & college that I had professional coaches who’d played at a professional level.
        This has improved drastically over the last 20 years in this country. Many of my old teammates have stayed involved in the sport (coaching), and I’m proud to say that 1 has advanced to the point that he is now a USYNT Head Coach.
        It will be from the current Youth Ranks (U-12/15) that the first US Team to truly have a chance to challenge the world powers consistently. Players who have been coached from a very young age by professionals.

  7. Frankly, I don’t give a hell if they’ve said they’d stated support their native countries in the past over the US. A person’s entitled to feel how they want to feel, even if it might make for bad publicity.

    For probably 100% of dual national players, it’s not going to effect their play on the field because their professionals and are only concerned about their careers.

    This isn’t really a big deal. We already cap players who’s first preferences would probably be to play for Mexico or Germany and I don’t know how it could get any worse that then for the fans who have a concerns with a player’s patriotism or whatever.

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    • I cannot verify this, but I certainly get from Klinsmann’s words and action that he wants his players to feel pride for their country when they put on that shirt and they need to have a full out commitment at all times if they want to play for the Stars and Stripes. I have known a lot of immigrants (my wife is one as are most of her friends) and like the new convert to a church, they are often the most fervent, especially when they compare the benefits of the US to their home countries. While some people doubt that dual nationals really want to play for the US, as I have mentioned before, there are many people who would give their right arm for the opportunity because of the overall reputation that the US still has all over the world.

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      • So willing are asylum seekers that they take the great risk of being caught and subsequently jailed in interment camps as a ways for the prison industrial complex to profit off of their mystery and misfortune. And in turn, so willing to escape those internment camps for their children’s sake that some women resort to paying their 8,000 thousand dollar bonds, set by the federal government, by making deals with sex traffickers who pay for their bonds, only to find themselves stuck in another form of a prison. Many may not even have the chance of that at least, dying along the way from dehydration or simply being murdered and left to rot in deserts like animals. Still at the end of the day though, its a risk families all over Central America & Mexico chance in order to have a better opportunities at life or at least so their children might have one. I agree, some risk quite a bit.

  8. The problem with the USA is the Manager, not the players. No matters what system they play the style and quality of play remains the same. Klinsmann is like a mad scientist who continuously experiment but cannot get the formula right. There is too much experiment with players playing out of their comfort zone. The Team needs some stability and direction. Klinsmann is not and will not be the one to develop and take this Team to where it needs to go. Klinsmann needs to step down and vacate the position.

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    • Thats what friendlies are for, to test and put forth your formulas. There is no need to say its his fault, Klinsman was brought in with the sole purpose of revamping all of our programs and to further advance our team for the future. The scoreline in the friendlies are insignificant in comparison with the benefit of learning about your system and the players in it. The stability will come once he has find those players that he feels fit his system of play. As a fan i see his vision of having a team capable of holding the ball and passing it well out of the back and build a successful attack. We cant rely on being a good counter attack team only. Our pool of players is growing and introducing those new players to the system will only benefit us. There will not be complaints when every guy in that team is capable of playing at a high level. I long for a time when there is a substitution in a game and I dont go into panic mode because the player may not be up to par.

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      • You wanna make omlettes, you gotta crack some eggs.
        R-E-L-A-X people.
        This is a work in progress.
        Denmark is in the midst of Euro qualifying, they are a team, in synch.
        We are slowly gearing up to the Gold Cup, and CONCACAF qualifying.
        We are on a different timeline.
        We will peak at the right moment.
        Patience,

      • It also means we gots (a bit) more time.

        Lose every game you can, while experimenting. Klinsmann at least has the balls to go there.

        Denmark still needed a couple miracles to beat us.

      • I’m not that worried about the result against Denmark alone but there is a pattern of conceding late goals that needs to be addressed, and it reared its ugly head against Portugal, and could have easily resulted in us going home at the group stage.

        People are really overrating Denmark too. They didn’t qualify for the world cup and are a fairly average team. This isn’t the 1986 Denmark team or the Laudrup brothers era. Look at the rosters. Sure, we might not have a striker as good as Bendtner, but overall the USMNT has better players than Denmark does. A friendly loss isn’t a big deal but don’t brush it off by making Denmark out to be world beaters.

      • Under our previous manager, who was American, our team was renowned for conceding the first goal.

        How soon we forget.

      • That’s fine. I’m not saying Bob Bradley was great. Just that JK’s results haven’t been much different.

      • JK’s, BB’s and Arena’s USMNT win percentages are about the same.

        It’s been about 13 years since The Bruce started so I would interpret that as the players being at about the same level.

      • I have been trying to get this across, but some people just don’t want to understand. One of my favorite sayings is that none are so blind as those who will not see. You see this more and more these days as people rely on feelings, ideology, opinions and eschew facts.

      • •“That’s what friendlies are for, to test and put forth your formulas.”
        •“You wanna make omelets, you gotta crack some eggs. This is a work in progress.”
        •“people rely on feelings, ideology, opinions and eschew facts.”
        ……like really? How long does it take for you to get the formula right? Example, MLS Allstars is about taking different players, that don’t play together, that come together and train in a short period of time (months), to go up against a known top team (like Bayern Munich or Chelsea that train together and are VERY successful as one cohesive unit).
        MLS Allstar vs Bayern Munich (Bayern Munich- The German National team!!!!!! Hahahahahaha)
        •First Half US Players – Nick Rimando, DeAndre Yedlin, Matt Besler, Michael Parkhurst, Graham Zusi, Michael Bradley , Clint Dempsey (Only foreign players in the first half Thierry Henry, Tim Cahill, Martins and Collins).
        •Second Half US Players: Bobby Boswell, Bill Hamid, Maurice Edu, Landon Donovan, Sean Franklin.
        Caleb Porter was able to whip up a player formula to hold off Bayern in a very short period of time….that’s coaching. You can crack as many eggs as you want, if you are not a very good cook you are not going to make a very good omelet. Further you can’t make an argument base on what you are working with if someone else can make a tasty meal with most of the same ingredients you are already working with.
        It’s been almost 4 years and we are seeing most of the same names listed above still in the mix of the USMNT but running around clueless / less cohesive……..there is a cause for concern

      • Caleb Porter was also able to “whip up a player formula” to choke us out of an embarrassingly easy Olympic qualifying situation– at home.

        And you are talking about some lame friendly that is the MLS All-Star game? When Bayern had scarcely begun their pre-season training program?

        One of the sorriest arguments I have ever seen on this site. Truly terrible.

        The MLS All-Star Game!!!! WOW!!!!

      • Yeah, Pep got his panties in a bunch because (GASP!) the US players actually had the nerve to tackle his Bayern players. They didn’t get the memo that they had to kiss the ring of Bayern’s international “all-star” team.

      • …and one of the sorriest arguments you have ever seen is because you don’t read your own posts after you write it

      • I agree.

        This is one the biggest stretches I’ve ever seen on the topic. To say apples to oranges would be a compliment.

      • bizzy,

        Let’s assume your MLS All Star analogy has some merit. The thing about “getting the formula right” is that you have to maintain it and repeat it.

        That All Star game was a one shot deal. MLS players, as a team, were amped up to knock off the big time bully. Their intensity meter was off scale.

        Bayern’s players were pissed at having to be there. The result was not a big shock.

        If you had a seven game series or even a three game series where blood and money was on the line do you think those guys could win such a series over Bayern in such a scenario? That is very unlikely.

        The Denmark game was nothing like that. None of these friendlies are like that. In these games it’s more about individuals showing their stuff to JK. That is a far different thing from MLS guys banding together for one night to prove the world wrong.

        It’s pretty hard to artificially recreate that team wide All Star intensity, when everyone knows it’s just a friendly and some guys have more on the line than others. Besides, I’ve seen far worse USMNT games than that Denmark game.

        .

    • They can’t stick to the formula because the players we had, won’t be the players we need in 2018. He’s casting a wide net, letting potential prospects know that if they’re determined and push them selves to rise to the top then it will be rewarded. He taking prospects like Garza for example, who has no senior international experience, and throwing him in the meat-grinder so he can see that even though his club form may be great (top of the league), at the international level he needs more pace and acceleration. Now that he can see that, after yesterday’s game, if motivated, he will put more work and focus in heavy physical training so that he will rise to the occasion & become the international level LB that we need him to be in 2018.

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      • I made that same point about Zardes. He has the talent, but has to up ;his game considerably for international play and I think he understands that now if he didn’t before.

    • “The problem with the USA is the Manager, not the players. No matters what system they play the style and quality of play remains the same”

      Ummmm…. when you say it like this, it sounds to me like the problem IS the players.

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    • If the players get the same result no matter the strategy, than the problem is definately NOT the coach. I think he is using the first year of a new cycle to find talent, try to stretch players into developing new facets of their game, and sending clear messages about professionalism. Besler will be in shape next time, Jozy is working hard now, and Julian Green is probably getting a strong talking to about growing up and working harder.

      At least that is how I look at the circumstances. But I certainly can see why others would focus on the other side. I guess we will see in the next year or so if he knows anything. Personally, i dont think he gets credit for the world cup like he should. Yes he wants to play better technically, but we are not there yetbecauuse of the players we have so, he bunkered against Germany and Belgium. We did out play Portugal, and beat a Ghana who were probably better than us as well.

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      • Arena, BB and JK have essentially the same USMNT win percentage.

        That covers 13 years, a lot of players, different styles and Four World Cups.

        That should tell most neutral third parties that the talent level of the players has basically been constant up until today.

  9. Isn’t this the guy who said he was routing against the U.S. while he was “advising ” the U.S. in the same game?

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    • He did and William Yarbrough said he roots for Mexico when playing against the U.S. that’s the problem when you import players and coaches

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    • Joe from Philly,

      I’m sure you root for the USMNT .

      Does that qualify you to be an assistant coach for the USMNT?

      Johnny Damon and Roger Clemens both played for the Red Sox and then for the Yankees. Do you think the Yankees were worried that they might try to lose when they played Boston?

      Do you think Andy Reid will take it easy on the Eagles if they play KC?

      Vogts is a professional. He’ll do his job.

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    • “Took our jobs” is an under statement. Why do we waste time on foreign advisors, or coaches like Andy Herzog and Tab Ramos (no disrespect)…..when we have experience and productive coaches like Bruce Arena and Bob Bradley out there? Why are these 2 men not leading the charge to develop U-20/U-23 soccer in this country, especially after their track record? As far as coaches that can effectively build a team or build a successful program we have Ben Olsen, Caleb Porter or Jason Kreis, where are all these coaches and why are we not seeing some “coach – assistant coach” partnerships with these names that we know bleed red, white and blue? ….woooosssaaaaaaa!!!!!!

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      • Because we need to improve our program in a way that only a former world cup winner can. After Klinnsman, Im sure the next coach will be completely different and do things in a different way. Until then he’s here to stay so get used to it. And Bob Bradley and Bruce Arena were already with the USMNT and neither of them won a world cup or did any better than Klinnsman.

      • How many successful coaches do you think are willing to serve as an assistant? The list you rattle off is decent but also uniformly (I think) under contract for head jobs.

      • bizzy,

        By the way Tab Ramos is not a foreigner. I know Wiki is unreliable but it shows that he is a US citizen and has even played for the USMNT, nearly losing his brain after Leonardo tried to decapitate him. But then I guess a USMNT “fan” like you can’t be expected to remember that far back.

        I can totally see The Bruce and BB (or any of those other guys) giving up their head coaching jobs to work for JK a man they don’t seem overly fond of.

        Do you want to explain how that would be a good career move for either guy?

    • I couldn’t care less that these guys are not American but I do care that I haven’t seen any improvement in our results since they took over. JK was a world cup winner as a player, and a great player in his day, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great coach. JK was a far far better player than Mourinho or Wenger for example, but no one would argue he’s a better coach than those guys.

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      • As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

        People see what they want to see and many people don’t like JK and never will for a number of reasons (logical or illogical).

      • If you take Arena and Bradley’s level of success as American baseline, where’s the improvement? We didn’t go deeper in the tournament, we look like a joke on defense right now, and the sales pitch was he’d make us look world class.

        Aesthetically I like knock it around ball, but practically I don’t see the results nor do I believe it is suited to our personnel now.

        The one thing I thing he deserves great credit for is recruitment, because if he wasn’t bringing in the dual nationals our domestic youth system is pretty ineffective at the moment and it would be even worse.

      • Well, if we’re comparing baseline’s:

        We’ve set single year records for wins, winning percentage, and consecutive wins. Finished first in the Hex, undefeated at home during the Hex (all clean sheets). Won the Gold Cup. Beat Italy for the first time. Beat Mexico in Mexico. I remember us being Germany, too…and probably more “firsts” that I’m not recalling.

        Until a bad run of form recently, JK had the highest winning percentage of any USMNT manager. On the surface, I would also say our level of competition in opponents has been higher, too. I see actual matches/friendlies that offer challenges instead of the usual Barbados’ that prove/show us nothing.

      • Friendly wins (or losses) don’t mean much to me. Winning the B team Gold Cup is nice but doesn’t do much for me either. Bradley and Arena won the Hex too.

        I don’t think there’s been a dropoff but I don’t see an improvement either. If we win the Gold Cup this year and do well in the Copa America next season, I’ll change my tune.

      • +1, same for me. i don’t think he should be fired, but i’d like to see more for how much $ and control they’re giving him.

        hopefully he proves me wrong in the next two years; it might help that he now has the job he should’ve had in the first place (Technical Director).

      • Exactly spot on. Everyone likes to bring the win % state, but I thought friendly results don’t matter. If they do, Klinsmann is doing horribly this cycle. Can’t have it both ways. Outside of that everything Klinsmann did last cycle had been accomplished by his predecessors.

      • Have it both ways?

        People claim X-about JK and that’s disproved, with you know…facts, so then they claim-Y.

        That’s having it both ways. People citing facts aren’t doing anything than other than providing facts. Everything else is opinion and from my vantage point the opinion of a few are pretty laughable.

      • Slow – While the performances since the 14 WC (and even in the WC) have not been spectacular it will take time before we see what impact JK will have on the USNT.
        Up until 2014 JK was basically using Bradley’s player pool with a small handful of new (his) players. Since the 14 WC JK has been trying a large selection of players to determine who can contribute both now and potentially in the future in the manner he wants the US to play.
        When the Gold Cup team is brought together we’ll have a better idea if this team is moving forward or has stagnated.

      • Wait? It’s almost four years in and he still needs more time? He’s already had a longer run than most national team managers get. At this point, he’s likely going to be here until after the world cup but he’s had plenty of time to put his stamp on things.

      • slowleftarm,

        “he’s had plenty of time to put his stamp on things.”

        Who are the USMNT’s best players?

        Mikey, Clint, Jozy, Jones, Johnson, Guzan, Cameron, Howard, Bedoya?

        All of them, except for Fabian, and he was on BB’s radar, were first capped by Bob.

        If the USMNT were an NCAA college football team we would say he has not had his recruiting class come in yet.

        And I would say the getting “your guys” in for national soccer teams is a bit more involved than it is in college football.

      • “JK was a world cup winner as a player, and a great player in his day, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great coach.”

        Thank you! This view that a great player = great manager has always baffled me and I’ve even seen US soccer journalists echo or allude to the same conclusion in their articles. The majority of the world’s great soccer managers were either terrible or mediocre players, or were never players at all. The only great managers that were formerly world class players that I can think of off the top of my head are Franz Beckenbauer and Pep Guardiola.

      • unless you’re arguing that his playing excludes him from being a good coach, there’s really no point here.

      • JK managed a national team to third place in the World Cup.

        Not a lot of guys have done that.

        That doesn’t mean he is a great manager but it’s not as if just anybody can do that either.

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