The USA-Mexico rivalry is ready to resume today as the the U.S. national team takes on 'El Tri' in the CONCACAF Gold Cup final at Giants Stadium today (3pm, Fox Soccer Channel/Univision).
The Americans are looking to win a third straight Gold Cup while Mexico is looking to win its first match vs. the USA on American soil in almost a decade.
I will be providing commentary throughout the day so please feel free to follow the match here. As always, you are welcome to share your own thoughts and opinions in the comments section below.
Enjoy the action (USA lineup after the jump):
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FINAL- That's all for me. Please feel free to share your post-game thoughts on this debacle in the comments section below (And yes, I'm banning and deleting as we speak since things have turned a bit crazy).
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FINAL– Mexican fans break out a "Yes we could!" chant. They're loving this trophy presentation.
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FINAL– In the end, Mexico brought a better team to the Gold Cup and the Americans ultimately wound up paying the price for keeping and fielding such a young and understrength squad this far into the tournament.
If Bob Bradley's ultimate goal was to really test this young group of players to see who could handle the rigors of more important games, then he certainly learned plenty in this tournament. If Bradley's ultimate goal was to win a trophy, he has only himself to blame for this result.
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FINAL– Giovani Dos Santos is chosen as game MVP. Jay Heaps finished second in the voting.
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FINAL– Mexico 5, USA 0.
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90th Minute– This is actually not the worst loss to Mexico ever. here are some worse ones:
1957- Mexico 6, USA 0
1949- Mexico 6, USA 0
This IS the worst loss to Mexico on American soil in U.S. national team history.
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90th Minute– The last time Mexico scored five vs. the USA? A 5-1 drubbing in 1980 in Mexico City.
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90th Minute– 79,156 is the attendance. Lots of witnesses to this slaughter.
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88th Minute– GOAL MEXICO!!!! Guille Franco buries one from 20 yards out. Mexico 5, USA 0.
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87th Minute– Heaps with a second yellow card for a clumsy challenge.
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84th Minute– It's as if the American defenders have never seen a team switch fields with long passes.
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82nd Minute– For those wondering, Castro did a Michael Jackson tribute with a crotch grab.
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81st Minute– Sam Cronin is coming into the match. Kyle Beckerman exits. One of the few players to keep it together even during this late meltdown.
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80th Minute– Jose Antonio Castro with the fourth goal, off another pass from Castro.
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79th Minute– GOAL MEXICO!!!! 4-0. Wow, this is ugly.
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74th Minute– Dos Santos misses wide with a dangerous shot.
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72nd Minute– So how many of these U.S. players will start on Aug. 12 in the World Cup qualifier? Aside from Brian Ching, I doubt any of the eleven have a legitimate chance of starting. How many of the Mexican players could start? Ochoa, Magallon, Torrado, Vela and Dos Santos are all good bets.
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71st Minute– Mexico is having fun now, though not as much as Javier Aguirre, who delivered some lively fist pumps after the third goal. He's enjoying this one. Doing slightly better than the last time he coached against the United States.
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69th Minute– The crowd is going nuts here. The American defense was just completely overwhelmed by Mexico's speed.
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67th Minute– GOAL MEXICO!!! Carlos Vela finishes a great run and pass by Dos Santos. They've shredded the USA defense in the past 10 minutes. Mexico 3, USA 0.
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66th Minute– Holden with another turnover. The Americans are showing their inexperience today.
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64th Minute– As bad as the PK call was, there's no excuse for the defensive breakdowns here.
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63rd Minute– Cooper and Quaranta are in, Pause and Arnaud are out.
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62nd Minute- GOAL MEXICO!!!! Dos Santos with the finish. Another Mexico breakaway. Holden with the turnover, and Mexico makes them pay. Mexico 2, USA 0.
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60th Minute– SAVE PERKINS!!!! Vela on the breakaway but Perkins makes a clutch kick save. WOW.
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59th Minute– PERKINS SAVE!!! TWICE. What is going on with the USA defense? Mexico is finding tons of space.
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57th Minute– Should be interesting to see how this changes the game. Will Mexico keep attacking? Will Bob Bradley make an attacking sub (Kenny Cooper)? Will the ref provide a make-up call for that tragic decision?
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56th Minute– GOAL MEXICO. Torrado finishes the penalty.
Dos Santos elbowed Heaps in the face, Heaps goes down in a heap, and the ref awards Mexico a penalty. Shocking.
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55th Minute– PENALTY!!! Ref awards Mexico a penalty. Dos Santos looks to have taken a dive there.
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54th Minute– Dos Santos gets by Marshall on the right flank but his cross finds nobody. Mexico is working the wings well. Aguirre has identified the weak spots in the back for the USA.
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52nd Minute– Torrado passes it off the ref, leading to a USA breakaway. Had some flashbacks to the USA win in Glendale, Arizona when a Mexico pass off the ref led to Landon Donovan's breakaway goal.
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50th Minute– Heaps just got skinned.
Rogers with a shot right at Ochoa, needs a much better shot to beat the Mexican keeper.
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50th Minute– Mexico corner kick.
They're assaulting the wings early on. It's clear what the instructions were.
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49th Minute– Rogers with a nice tackle on Dos Santos in the area. Dos Santos is working the right flank now.
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48th Minute– Rogers HIGH. A good look from 12 yards out goes over by a foot.
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47th Minute– Vela's inclusion means Dos Santos can slide over to the wing, with Vela joining Sabah up top. Medina had been awful.
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46th Minute– Carlos Vela has come into the match.
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HALFTIME– USA 0, Mexico 0. Pretty even game. Both teams have had chances, but neither has really taken a hold of this game. Who will step up in the second half?
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45th Minute– Mexico on the counter again. But no, Alberto Medina sends another shot wide.
That's where Dos Santos wants to be, in space with the ball, running at the USA attack. He's so good but his teammates aren't stepping up.
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44th Minute– Marshall CLUTCH with a defensive intervention on a Mexico breakaway. Goodson nearly let Mexico in for a goal with a poorly-timed slide tackle that opened up a Mexico counter.
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42nd Minute– Mexico struggling to create in the final third. They need a more creative player in central midfield since Dos Santos seems to be parked higher up the field (where Marshall has done a good job on him).
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40th Minute– Pause with the turnover on the long pass attempt. Mexico hasn't found much in the middle of the field so it hasn't bee a totally bad game for Pause but he's on a yellow and has had some nervy moments.
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36th Minute– Neither team has really put a stamp on the game yet. Mexico has looked deadly on the counter, while the USA has had a few nice sequences.
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34th Minute– Beckerman goes wide with a shot from the arc. Definitely had a Panama flashback there, but it wasn't to be.
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33rd Minute– USA corner off a bad mexico header. This Mexican defense is definitely vulnerable.
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32nd Minute– Guillermo Ochoa has enjoyed a strong tournament for Mexico and isn't going to be easy to beat today.
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31th Minute– Sabah header wide.
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30th Minute– Mexico corner kick.
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28th Minute– HOLDEN WIDE!!!!!! He had a clear look from distance and sends it wide. Great sequence.
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27th Minute– Ching is ruled offside on a sequence and Pause gets a yellow for shooting into the goal after the whistle. Not sure how he would have heard that whistle, but it was pretty late.
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24th Minute– Heaps with a yellow card for a hard foul.
USA doing well to shadow Dos Santos.
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23rd Minute– Americans started out well, but they need to be careful not to let Mexico start finding its rhythm.
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21st Minute– Beckerman with an unforced turnover. Americans need to do much better with the ball.
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20th Minute– Mexico with a good stretch of possession. USA looking a bit nervous in that sequence. Beckerman and Pause need to slow things down.
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18th Minute– Logan Pause looking shaky early on.
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17th Minute– Goodson is back on the field.
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17th Minute– USA is playing a man down right now.
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16th Minute– Looks like Goodson caught a head to the face ala Jimmy Conrad vs. Panama.
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14th Minute– USA with a chance on the corner but Ching's shot is blocked. Goodson is down on the ground.
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13th Minute– USA with another corner off a long free kick.
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12th Minute– The field definitely looks to be playing slow, which is to be expected from two-day-old grass.
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11th Minute– USA is holding its own early with some useful possession. No real chances yet though.
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9th Minute– USA wins a corner. Holden's hit a few good ones.
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8th Minute– Dos Santos sent the springing pass on that chance. He's so hard to defend because he floats all over.
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6th Minute– Chad Marshall is paying extra attention to Gio Dos Santos today, as he should considering Dos Santos is far and away Mexico's most dangerous player.
DANGEROUS Mexico cross finds nobody.
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4th Minute– This is a bit of a defensive-minded Mexico lineup, with Aguirre looking like he's emphasizing possession early.
USA on the move but can't break down Mexico's back-line.
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2nd Minute– Mexicans start out with some possession. They're looking like they're going to start the match slowly. Makes sense considering they just went to PKs on Thursday night.
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1st Minute– We're underway.
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PRE-GAME– It's a sellout crowd tonight and I'd say it's at least 80 percent Mexican. Sam's Army/American Outlaws are filling out 101 nicely though.
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PRE-GAME– The anthems have been played and we're getting close to kickoff.
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PRE-GAME– No Carlos Vela in the starting lineup for Mexico. He's still working his way back from an injury suffered earlier in the tournament. He's a safe bet to be a second-half substitute.
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PRE-GAME– Here is Mexico's lineup:
————-Miguel-Sabah——-Gio Dos Santos————–
Alberto Medina———————————-Efrain Juarez
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Fausto Pinto————————————–Israel Castro
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BENCH– Jose Corona, Ismael Rodriguez, Guillermo Franco, Carlos Vela, Pablo Barrera, Carlos Esquivel, Luis Miguel Noriega
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PRE-GAME– ESPN2 is airing a one-hour pre-game show previewing today's Gold Cup final. The show started at 2pm for those of you watching at home.
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PRE-GAME- Bob Bradley sticks with the same lineup from the semifinal. Not that surprising considering how well they played vs. Honduras, but I was wondering if the short turnaround would play a role in choosing the lineup.
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PRE-GAME– Here's the USA bench:
Jon Busch, Brad Evans, Kenny Cooper, Santino Quaranta, Colin Clark, Sam Cronin, Michael Parkhurst
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PRE-GAME– Here is the USA lineup:
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Rogers————————————–Holden
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Pearce—–Marshall——Goodson———Heaps
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First of all Mexico will not be overconfident on the 12th. And this tournament does matter. In 5 years are people going to remember that this was a B team? Also the US might as well kiss the WC seeding away as they will drop in the FIFA rankings and they are already behind Mexico in the seeding.
Why is everyone so hysterical? Fire Bradley? Because he treated the Gold Cup as a tryout for Spot #23 on the world cup roster?
Look, it’s humiliating getting beat 5-0, but let’s keep some perspective.
Having said that, I am grateful that the Jay Heaps era is over. Why did BB insist on playing him ahead of the far better Brad Evans? That one puzzles me. I figured he put Heaps on the roster as a kind of payoff for time served in MLS, but he didn’t actually have to PLAY him.
I think we’ve learned quite a bit about the US player pool in this tournament. Holden, Perkins, Chad Marshall and possibly Rogers have a future with the USMNT. Ching is still around, and has chance at a WC roster spot, but isn’t a shoo-in by any means. Beckerman can play well against weak Concacaf comp, but is out of his league against true internationals, and is way below Edu/Clark/Bradley (and probably Jones) in the defensive mid depth chart. Didn’t see enough of Cronin in this tourney, wish he had started aside Beckerman rather than the eminently mediocre Logan Pause.
Aristotle-
There are idiots the world over! But believe me I will not be bragging about how a more talented Mexican team with several more experienced players than a very young inexperienced American team destroyed you! But regardless of what many are posting, IT IS IMPORTANT!
Two things: VELA/DOS SANTOS…two kids that couldn’t care less about the past and showed it!
If what they have is contagious then the U.S will NOT be winning every single game at home!
And…
I think the US wins at Azteca!!! I’m almost sure! And then it will be a much more healthy back and forth between the two countries, sort of like Brazil/Argentina!
If I’m wrong (and I have been wrong, as in yesterday!) and the US losses at Azteca, then I think the hex will be broken forever, and Mexico will win more games in the US!
I was one of the first ones to say Bob Bradley should be fired when they did not perform at the first of Confed Cup but this one is with the B/C US team on the field. We got jobbed on the PK and then it all went downhill when things started to open up.
I know this sounds crazy but I believe it might have been good if we lost this one to have a real chance in Mexico. Mexico will be overconfident and our first team players will be looking for revenge.
I cannot wait for Mexico City.
this game was the equvalent of someone kicking me in my groin continously for 45 minutes. But you take the good with the bad. In the span of a month we have had our highest high and lowest low. its important we end up somewhere in the middle. If anyone didnt think football was a crazy sport, the last month is eveidence enough
Yikes. At least I can rest my head knowing this was a C squad at best. Still don’t want to lose to El Tri though. Oh well. We’ll win in Azteca and continue to dominate Mexico in any game that matters.
totally agree with the poster above who said Mexico will regret running up the score. We maybe not beat them 5 rock in Azteca, but you can bet your bottom dollar the NATS will be 100 percent mentally focused and ready to leave it all on the field come August 12th. That was the best thing to come out of this game
M. Verde–
Well said. A rival is a rival is a rival, but I hope Mexico’s rising crop comes through. They are good and classy and pretty young.
Congrats again to Mexico. Here’s to a hell of a game in two weeks.
In a way this is good for our chances at Azteca because Mexico will be over confident. Kind of like Spain basketball in the Beijing summer olympics.
Criticizing BB is ridiculous. The point of the tournament was to figure out who can play in high pressure games against good squads and who cannot.
He saw guys give up and now we know those individuals are not ready to move up the ladder of the USMNT. I’d rather learn that now in a meaningless tournament rather than a WCQ.
Heartbreaking for us US fans, however, A, B, C, or D teams, who by the way, are all paid professionals losing 5-0 in an international match is INEXCUSABLE unless you are New Zealand. I wonder how the NATS regulars were feeling while watching this game. I suspect we’ll find out on the 12th of August
Full credit to Mexico who truly earned the victory. Where is the US’s version of a Vela-Gio duo? I think the tournament provided the answers to the questions i had going into this tournament regarding players competing for 3 spots
1. Rogers v Beasley–Rogers is ready to be part of the squad(non starter). I just think anytime you have an attacking left footed player w/ confidence its an easy choice, because as confident as rogers is, beasley is not
2. Holden v Klejstan–clearly Holden has won this in everyones eyes except Bob Bradley. Klejstan’s peak happened with that hattrick against a, say it with me, SWEDISH B-TEAM. While Holden exhibited good to great performances against CONCACAFs “A” teams. So much so, Mexico had to gameplan for him.
3. The RB spot–While Spector seemed to be the consensus coming out of S.Africa, he is a centre back by trade. Dolo had a couple games to try to restamp his place. Unfortunate for him to have to head back to Hannover. Which brings me to this question. After Steve Churundolo who seems to be the 1 person of 350 million americans who can play right back, who next. If you ask me, the answer is Marvell Wynne. Not saying he’s starter material, far from it in fact. Just saying, after the WC 2010, given the performance of Heaps and lack of options in general in that spot, its Wynne’s job to lose for the next decade. 2010 is too soon for him, but for me he came out a big winner in this tournament. BB’s RB selections alone clearly shows that. Anyone have any opinions on this i’d love to hear it
Leon:
It’s the same reason Claudio Reyna was so good when he was with the NYRB, Ching does the little things well! What amazes me about Ching is that he has gone so far backwards. Now he doesn’t even seem to head the ball very well anymore! It just shows you how hard pressed we are for forwards. His main contribution now is that he can stand up with multiple players pulling on him and hold the ball or draw the foul. He’s made some big contributions but there has to be more to a player than that. He’s a forward who is unlikely to score! He was even on Houston’s bench for while even though he was healthy.
All honors to Mexico…they opened us up and played with skill and excitement. They came to play. We did not.
This tournament was still a positive experience. Bradley knows this is a “look see” period in the run up to the World Cup. What he learned may more than compensate for this drubbing.
Bretos and Sullivan were killing me at the end of the game-this result will have nothing to do with Aug 12!!! The US team AVERAGED 8 caps per player-the more experienced team won. Stop talking about the “home” soil winning streak-we have more home fans at matches about as often as the world cup comes around. Mexico had a better team on paper and it showed on the pitch-congrats to Mexico. I don’t blame BB for resting the players that played in Europe all year and then spent a month in South Africa. Ching may be on the bench on Aug 12-the rest of this team (except Holden maybe) won’t even be called into camp in Aug.
It’s interesting how tournaments only take on importance when our team wins. As far as I am concerned the Confederation Cup was a legitimate tournament, some will say Europe doesn’t care and that is why the US won. (I say they are cowards) Again with the Gold Cup. The United States is desperately trying to get credibility with the rest of the world, this is a noble goal and will speed the process of our Nat team and MLS. Why do we treat our own tournamet like a friendly. Why don’t we just say that a tournament is a tournament. A tournament is not a friendly, it is not a time to experiment, it is not a time to bring your lesser team. Those times are called friendlies. If we don’t take CONCACAF seriously who will? Let’s compete in our own tournament and not make it a joke. For those who argue that the Confed. Cup players were tired ask yourselves why they were put on the Gold CUp roster at all. My understanding was that they would be ready for the semi and finals and no one can argue that bringing in 5 – 6 players from even the MLS like Landon, Clark etc . . would have ruined them and we probably would have won. I think BB got arrogant and tried to show everyone what a great coach he was with a poor team and just made an *** out of the US Nats and the Gold Cup. Was Blatter there to see this?
As a Mexican I’m very happy for the moral boost this victory gives Mexico, but I think there is still a lot of work to be done. Having said that, Mexico hasn’t fielded an A team since Copa America becuse it DOES NOT HAVE AN A TEAM AS WE SPEAK, The team is in transition!
MARC I absolutely agree with you that the US team is better tactically than Mexico. But I think everybody knows that! But with all do respect whenever Mexico plays tournaments against top competition it does extremely well! Brazil right now? I don’t know! But tell you what, I will take Spain over the US any day of the week, twice on Sundays!
The US-A team is very, very strong! But if Ochoa, Dos Santos, Vela and Pablo Barrera came into their own in this cup (and it seems they did) with the incorporation of Marquez, Guardado, and Salcido plus the way Moreno, Sinha, and Franco are playing I think regardless of Azteca Mexico has a strong team.
Plus Aguirre is a proud man, as was very clearly proven today!
Anyway, say NO to Trolls on either side, and looking forward to a great game at Azteca.
BlueWhiteLion
We have witnessed 2 tournaments where the US gets to the final and we run out of gas.
BB plays the same 11 through all the knock out stages, when he could have alternated some players like Cooper and Arnaud or Quaranta and Rogers, as examples.
He seems to make his subs too late in games to make a difference.
I think it was Bobby McMahon that says, “first go the legs, then goes the brain.”
BB has not figured that out in two tournaments.
What a surprise!
I asked earlier in the tournament if it wasn’t pretty stupid to just give the Gold Cup Championship away, and an overwhelming majority said no, and that this tournament didn’t matter.
Looking at the posts here, it seems to matter. Did people actually believe this team would beat Mexico? I was rooting for the U.S. to lose against Honduras to avoid just what happened today.
This loss DOES matter. A win today would have finally given us the lead in Gold Cup wins over Mexico. The loss ended a LONG streak on home turf. The loss gave an enormous lift to to a demoralized Mexico and will make it MUCH HARDER for us to beat Mexico in world cup qualifying. If all of that isn’t bad enough, we will have to listen to Mexican fans trash talk for some time about how they destroyed us. Sigh.
Finally, the reality wasn’t that we had a “C” team that could play at the top level. It was that we had a group of players that managed to pull off a couple of wins and then went on a fairy tale streak. I think if this team had lost a game earlier we would have seen the reality of just how bad this team is.
I’ve accepted the loss, congratulated my Mexican friends without making any excuse or jibe, forgiven Bob Bradley for the scoreline and made peace with his decision to punt this tournament, but the one thing I cannot understand is this continued idea from some that Brian Ching is an international player. Slow, unimaginative, doesn’t maintain possession, he’s a paltry shadow of the skills Brian McBride possessed 20 times over. I don’t mind him being in this tourney because we didn’t waste good players on it, but why do people think he’s good?????
Truthie, it may take fifteen more wins at Azteca to level the standings, but all it takes is one US win in August, and Mexico won’t make the Finals.
I was at the game. Congratulations to Mexico. We’ll get you next time
GunneRR, anyone who has any pride in that team after that disgraceful performance needs their head examined. That team quit.
cenote, torrado is 30. He’s past his prime. He played in spain 5 years ago. He’s not near the player he was.
I agree that the future for mexico and the best talent wise is Vela, Gio and Ochoa.
Which is where the big talent advantage was.
US did fine until mexico put Vela in. THat changed the game.
It makes sense. You’re talking about a goalie that has been rumored to head to Europe, and two kids (20 year olds) that play for Arsenal and Tottenham. Of course they are better than anything the US had to offer at the gold cup. They have a chance to be one of the best tandems in mexican history.
I’m not saying the teams were even, I’m merely saying that the US didn’t get crushed because of lack of talent, but because they QUIT.
the most dramatic and complete defensive breakdown i can remember from the US. got our asses kicked … on to azteca with better players
I don’t have to. The bulk of the u-17 team has ALREADY played for the senior side. Maybe not in serious competitions but they already have debuted. they are also doing well where they are playing. Obviously things can change but in terms of talent+age, Mexico’s future lies in the 14 and 18 world cups. I’m not saying they will do well, i’m saying they will/should field more talented sides.
Similarly, the US’s most talented sides should be the next two world cups. The 2010 team should/will be the best team in the history of the US in terms of quality on the pitch.
Go look at the IMG soccer academy players for the US from 1999-2003. It forms the majority of the US’s senior squad. 6-10 years later.
Mexico’s U-17 squad is in year 3-4.
That’s why I say their best world cup team will be 2014 and why the best US one will be in 2010. It’s a projection and like any project obviously things can change.
Just back from the Mexican cauldron that was Giants Stadium. It was not a feel-good atmosphere; in fact, it was a little scary down in Section 135.
As for the result, sure it’s disappointing. But USA could have easily been knocked out in the quarters or semis. This is not our real USMNT, and I give Bradley credit for giving the B/C team a chance to compete.
Someone earlier summed it up: Bradley had to prioritize. The A team at Confed, the B/C team for the Gold. And the B/C team ran out of gas after the PK.
Overall, I’m proud of the boys. 4-0-1 and some gritty soccer before today’s debacle. And I gladly would take a loss today in exchange for a win or draw on Aug. 12.
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It’s OK if you win at Azteca…no really!
You would still have to win fifteen more matches to tie the statistics!
Oh yeah, and remember a couple of things:
football;
basketball; and
baseball.
Those are the three most popular sports in the US. In Mexico it is only futbol. And this is the first time in 11 tries they mustered a win against us here? That’s funny.
It’s funny how the same Mexico fans change their handles and post different ever more bizarre rants. Sure, you won. Our team was an absolute joke — we were lucky to beat Panama and drew with Haiti! The funny thing about this is that Bradley didn’t even play young players. That woulod have been acceptable. By international standards 24 – 27 is not young. That’s prime time. This was absolutely a C team, as the only potential starters were guys working back from injuries.
As to the Mexican team, say what you want, but Vela, Dos Santos, Ochoa, Torrado, and a few others are the very best Mexico has to offer. Now that doesn’t mean they play Aug 12 — I hope Mexico rolls out the same old tired Mexican league regulars they usually roll out rather than these interesting new players.
BB really needs to think about the selections he made in this tourney. This was about trying to see if there are any older players who might be able to stand-in next summer as reserves, rather than turning over stones to find good, young talent. I hope we don’t regret buringing a tourney for the former rather than the latter.
jake, really? Mexico is due for a great world cup in 2018? You can really see that far down the line? Take a minute and research how many great u-17 players do the same for the senior side.
Don’t try to explain B+ Mexico squad vs. C USA squad to any Mexicans, lesson learned from today.
Having said that, and despite it–I am completely embarrassed.
can we end the A-b-c team crap? look, they beat us with the players they had. we didn’t play well enough. get over it. you people are pathetic with all the overreaction. take some time and actually learn about the game–obviously 99% of you never played it–and stop making generalizations on players and tactics based on the latest US national team game. Seriously. You are all jokers.
JL
From all I have read and heard Gooch is a real firey player both in practice and on the field. Trust me, there is going to be a real chip on every American’s shoulder who steps on that pitch on 12 August….which will be Mexico’s worst nightmare as they are struggling to qualify for 2010 as it is…running up that socre maybe the worst decison they made all day. We win in Azeteca and the Mexican fans and media go crazy.
the thing is they didn’t have a guy like Landon. Don’t know what kind of attitude Landon has on the pitch with his team mates, but he probably does light up a fire under their ass. What about Bocanegra? Someone with attitude was missing in that field, and Ching wasn’t it either.
This is not Mexico’s “A” team nor “B+” team.
Not ONE player from this squad is a sure fire starter on the 12th, not ONE.
Secondly, if Magallon AND Torrado start on the 12th Mexico is in trouble. I think Torrado will probably start though.
Gio needs to start, but he may not. Vela will probably NOT start. Ochoa NEEDS to start, but probably won’t.
Mexico won with a few A team bench players, and b squad players. Yes they were more talented than the US team, by quite a bit. But to be sarcastic and say “congrats mexico for beating our crappy team with your best team” is a sore losers mentality.
The US quit after the first goal. That WON’T happen on the 12th. These teams are still too even. The US isn’t much better than Mexico at this point, they are in a better cycle (in terms of experience/talent). The US MUST do well in the 2010 world cup because that is the best they will do in the next 2-3 World Cups.
Mexico’s WORST world cup will be this upcoming one (if they even make it).
After that 2014 looks REALLY good and 2018 does as well (That U-17 team that won the world cup will all be 25 in 2014 and 29 in 2018).
My lord that was the most pathetic soccer I’ve seen since, well, the Confed. Cup games against Italy and Brazil (1st).
Just when you thought the US turned a corner, back to reality! Pathetic. Embarrassing.
so how’s the gooch???? well, it seems as if he came in a bit too weak on that Milito goal. I guess it’s a learning process, he needs to get his pace up.
jmac….Yeah the Mexican fans and media will have a melt down when we win on 12 August and as I said our guys will have one hell of a chip on their shoulder for that match.
Need to keep our eyes on the prize…South Africa 2010…
Stay classy people… accept the the lost and move on.
All is not lost, but there are trends we see in Bradley. He is not mixing his roster up.
Our conditioning gets us to the final, but we run out of gas the last game.
We play a good 45, but in the 2nd half we fall apart.
He did it in the Confed Cup too. Another strike for BB.
Posted by: Paul Lorinczi
what do you mean by “not mixing up roster.” You mean WITHIN the tournament? Because in general more people have been put thru the system than in a long time. This tournament is a great example of that.
Cenote-
The only troll is YOU!
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You also have no idea what is going to happen to Mexico on August 12. Our “A” team is going to have one hell of chip on it’s shoulder. I woul dnot want to be wearing a green jersey that day! Just one more nail in Mexico’s coffin as far as qualifying for South Africa 2010.
I think people are right that we need to get some perspective. First, we really couldn’t have brought our first team to this tournament, and many of the guys ranked about 12-23 on the roster were at the Confed Cup. This was all about testing unproven guys like Holden, Adu, Rogers, Goodson, Marshall, Quaranta. I was surprised we even made it to the finals, but CONCACAF is bad. Yes, it is embarassing we got drilled so bad. And its odd because we did outplay them the first half, but then totally collapsed. The team spacing was dreadful. But at least we know more about the guys ranked 23-30 on the the depth chart. Vela and Dos Santos are pretty nice players, it should be remembered, and better than anyone we brought outside of (maybe) Holden.
I don’t put a lot of stock into the the losing the 10 year edge thing. If we beat — or even draw– Mexico in the Azteca that will send the Mexican fans and media into a tizzy.
I tend to agree with Tomson on Robbie Rogers. Had many sweet touches and tried to get things going. Almost got Holden and goal and one for himself. Really he was the only offense. Problem I saw was he had to track back on defense way too much the second half after Pearce lost his wind.
Very disappointed in Holden today and the defensive back line-mainly the central defenders. Looks like they just quit.
some of the “no heart” comments are hillarious. Heart is a must, but it will only take you so far. Heart must also come in with knowing how to manage the game and how not to fall apart after a bad call. I don’t think the U.S. tema lacked heart today, particularly not in the 1st hald. I do think they were naive in terms of how much energy they spent in the 1st half and how easily they squandered their chances. If they scored 1st, this game might have turned out differently.
Our “A” team is faster, bigger, more athletic and plays better tactical football than Mexico…is there anyone on here theat actually believes that Mexico could beat Spain right now? Or score twice against Brazil? I didn’t think so. As for firing Bradley, it’s not going to happen folks and there is no reason for it to happen. Suspect you will all feel much better about all of this on the night of 12 August.
JPC-
What do you know about Mexico’s player pool? Obviously NOTHING!
Have you seen JONATHAN DOS SANTOS? Gio’s younger brother!
He is BETTER than Giovani!!! Someone who works for Barca Atletic told me that Pep Guardiola thinks he’s equal to Messi!
And AZ Alkmaar’s Hector Moreno? He just won the Dutch supercup yesterday, and is in my eyes the best of all Mexican defenders!
Then there’s Araujo, Villaluz, Barrera, ‘Guty’ Estrada, Hernandez, and on and on!
You have NO IDEA!
Embarrassing. Absolutely no defensive help from the midfielders. No heart.
this is sad. so much for beating spain and showing well against brazil
this is sad
Rogers was the only player that continued to battle untilt the end today. Was very dangerous the first half (If Holden had only scored that goal), was forced to defend the second because Pearce ran out of gas.